Is There a Maximum Temperature Limit in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a maximum temperature limit in physics, exploring the relationship between temperature, kinetic energy, and the implications of special relativity. Participants also touch on the idea of multiple universes and their relevance to the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that temperature relates to energy and kinetic energy, questioning if there is a maximum temperature due to the constraints of kinetic energy as velocity approaches the speed of light.
  • Another participant corrects the initial kinetic energy equation, providing a more general expression from special relativity, indicating that kinetic energy approaches infinity as velocity approaches the speed of light.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the logic behind the initial question and introduces the idea of multiple universes, proposing a potentially infinite number of particles.
  • Another participant emphasizes the relevance of the equation to nuclear and particle physics, suggesting that the concept of infinite universes is not applicable in this context.
  • One participant acknowledges the clarification of the equation and inquires about the appropriateness of discussing the concept of multiple universes in a separate thread.
  • A later reply mentions that the universe is finite but unlimited, comparing it to the surface of a sphere, and provides an estimate of the number of electrons in the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of multiple universes, with some arguing against the idea of infinity in this context. The discussion on the maximum temperature limit remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the implications of kinetic energy and temperature.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the limitations of the kinetic energy equation at relativistic speeds and the implications of energy constraints in the universe, but these points remain open to interpretation and further discussion.

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Hi

I was wondering if there is a maximum temperature

As i understand temperature : Energy
With cinetic energy creates movement that creates particle shocks, which liberates energy, as i understand it.

And since Ec = 0.5*m*v², and that v <= c, there should be a maximum particle Ec we could reach ?

If my understanding is completely wrong tell me please
And, i am also curious to know , if any reasonable theories have the idea of a maximum temperature
 
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sorry, but Ec = 0.5*m*v² only holds for v << c.. the general expression is:

(E_c+mc^2)^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2

Where p = \gamma m v

\gamma = \frac{1}{1-(v/c)^2}

Now as v goes to c, E_c goes to infinity.

The maximum kinetic energy must be bounded by the total energy of the universe for sure.
 
Oh, since there is a more general expression, it clarifies everything.
But what is the logic behind the first question u gave me ?

And, is there only one universe ?
i thought there could be an infinite number of universes, forming some sort of particles; which themselves would form other sorts of particles; ect
 
This equation comes from special theory of relativity (Einstein 1905)

Total energy squared = momentum squared + rest mass squared

Total energy = kinetic energy + rest mass (I have assumed no potential energy here, i.e a free particle)


And what is the relevance of number of universes? (this is first of all Nuclear- and particle physics subforum. Secondly, it is unrelated to your question and should have a thread for itself)
btw: Infinite number of universes don't make sense.. infinity is a mathematical concept, not an entity.
 
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ok now i see the logic of the equation, thank you

Should i make a new thread for the second question ? in what section ?
And, i thought space was infinite, so why not the number of particles too?
 
first, you can search for old threads, it is a quite common asked question. If you don't find, try cosmology forum.

(our) universe is not infinite, it is finite but unlimited. Compare with the surface of a sphere in 3dimensions. It has a finite area, but it has no boundaries. I think the number of electrons in the universe is something like 10^87 or something..
 
Ok, I am going to check/or/post there
 
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