Is there a measure for every Borel σ-algebra?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of measures for every Borel σ-algebra defined on topological spaces. Participants explore whether all topological spaces can be transformed into measure spaces and the implications of various mathematical theorems related to measures.

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  • One participant asserts that the Borel σ-algebra can be defined on every topological space, questioning if this implies that every topological space can be turned into a measure space.
  • Another participant suggests that trivial measures can be defined, such as assigning zero measure to all sets or using counting measures, and references the Riesz representation theorem as a more substantial answer.
  • The Riesz representation theorem is mentioned as stating that all regular measures on locally compact Hausdorff spaces coincide with positive functionals, with implications for the existence of non-trivial measures requiring set theory.
  • One participant raises a question about the existence of measures other than trivial ones in spaces with cardinality greater than the continuum.
  • A similar concern is echoed by another participant, emphasizing the need to define what is meant by "the trivial one" in this context.
  • Discussion includes references to Boolean algebras and measure algebras as areas of study related to the topic.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the explanation and indicates a desire to study the Riesz representation theorem further after completing basics in integration theory.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of measures in topological spaces, particularly regarding the existence of non-trivial measures in spaces of higher cardinality. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of measures and the assumptions underlying the existence of non-trivial measures, particularly in relation to set theory and cardinality considerations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying measure theory, topology, and related mathematical fields, particularly in understanding the complexities of measures on Borel σ-algebras.

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The Borel σ-algebra can be defined on every topological space. Does that mean that every topological space can be turned into a measure space?
 
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Yes, in a trivial way. Just define [itex]\mu(S)=0[/itex] for all S. Or take the counting measure. Or a point measure.

A better answer is actually Riesz representation theorem. This says that all regular measures on a locally compact Hausdorff space coincide with positive functionals

[tex]T:C_c(X)\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/tex]

(with [itex]C_c(X)[/itex] the functions to [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] with compact support). Such a functional exist because of the Hahn-Banach theorem.

The same thing can be done with [itex]C_0(X)[/itex] actually. In that case: the measures are the positive functionals, the probability measures are the states and the point measures represent the pure states on X.

In general, the existence of non-trivial measures is not a simple problem and requires set theory (see for example measurable cardinals)
 
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I wonder if the space has a cardinality greater than the continuum whether there are any measures other than the trivial one.
 
lavinia said:
I wonder if the space has a cardinality greater than the continuum whether there are any measures other than the trivial one.

The first thing to do is to define the word "the trivial one".

This is quite an interesting theory. In general, this is studied in Boolean algebras and the so-called measure algebras.
 
Excellent answer as always. Thanks. I've been meaning to study the Riesz representation theorem. It will be the first thing I do when I'm done with the basics of integration theory.
 
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