Is there a problem with just being overweight?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of being overweight, particularly in relation to diet and health. Participants explore whether it is possible to be overweight while maintaining a healthy diet and what health issues may arise from being overweight, regardless of dietary choices. The conversation touches on definitions of "overweight," the relationship between weight and health, and the effects of excess weight on the body.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that being overweight may not be inherently problematic if one's diet is healthy, emphasizing the importance of food quality over quantity.
  • Others argue that the definition of "overweight" is complex and may depend on factors like body composition, suggesting that high body mass index (BMI) does not always equate to health issues.
  • A participant raises the idea that excessive food intake, regardless of its healthiness, can still lead to health problems.
  • Concerns are expressed about the physical strain that excess weight places on the cardiovascular and musculoskeletal systems, even if dietary habits are good.
  • Some participants assert that being overweight is often a symptom of poor lifestyle choices, including diet and physical activity levels.
  • There is a viewpoint that weight gain and loss are fundamentally linked to calorie intake and expenditure.
  • Several participants note that being overweight can lead to various health consequences, including joint strain and increased workload on the heart.
  • Some express the belief that it is possible to be overweight and healthy, provided one engages in sufficient exercise.
  • Concerns are raised about the long-term effects of excess weight, even if immediate health indicators appear normal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether being overweight is problematic if dietary habits are healthy. There are multiple competing views regarding the relationship between weight, health, and lifestyle choices, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about definitions of "overweight," the role of body composition, and the impact of lifestyle factors on health outcomes. There are also references to potential health risks that are not fully explored or quantified.

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Most problems associated with being overweight simply have to do with poor diet. Let's suppose that there's a person whose diet is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, unsaturated fats and lean proteins. He gets all his vitamins, avoids trans fats and refined sugars, and eats a very healthy proportion of different sorts of foods. However, let's suppose that he just eats lots of these foods. As far as I know, things like high cholesterol, hypertension, cardiac disease, etc. only happen because of poor diet, and those who're overweight tend to have a poor diet, so the two correlate. However, is there anything inherently wrong with just being overweight if your diet is healthy?
 
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The first thing you have to decide is what is "overweight", heavy does not always mean overweight, if your body mass index is high but your fat percentage is low (say like a body builder) that is fine but if fat levels, insulin, colesterol or antigens are not within normal limits it could mean problems.
 
Tzemach said:
The first thing you have to decide is what is "overweight", heavy does not always mean overweight, if your body mass index is high but your fat percentage is low (say like a body builder) that is fine but if fat levels, insulin, colesterol or antigens are not within normal limits it could mean problems.

Let's say that the person isn't a bodybuilder, they're moderately active, but don't have very much muscle mass. How about a 6 foot man that's 250 pounds. However, his cholesterol is fine because he eats lots of unsaturated fats and fiber, he has plenty of antioxidants in his blood, doesn't eat too much refined sugar so his blood sugar levels are balanced, doesn't eat too much salt so he doesn't have to worry about hypertension. He just eats lots of healthy food, and stores it as fat.
 
I believe, but I'm not positive, that to follow a good diet involves both type AND quantity of food intake. So if a person eats food excessively, good or bad, I suppose the person is still unhealthy.
 
Setting aside issues like diabetes, cancer, heart disease, hypertension and a stroke (which may in part at least be diet, and not necessarily weight related), there are loads of problems can be caused by being overweight. Even if your diet is okay (in content if not moderation), think of all the extra demand being imposed on your cardiopulmonory and musculoskeletal systems.
 
Add to that the sedentary lifestyle typically required for being overweight and you've added back in all the other things you listed (except cancer - I don't think that's a risk either way).

Basically, I see being overweight as a symptom of bad habits. Whether it is caused by bad eating habits, a sedentary lifestyle, or both, the effects are there and are pretty similar.

And as a junk-food junkie with absurdly low cholesterol (though I haven't been tested in about 5 years...), I can tell you that the body is pretty adaptable to whatever you put into it food-wise. The active lifestyle is at least as important if not more for keeping away the diabetes, cardiopulminary, and musculoskeletal problems.
 
Overweight isn't a cause, it's a parallel effect. The only reason not to be excessively obese (to whomever's definition one wishes to apply) is to avoid unpleasantness often associated. You're not as sexy, you don't fit through doors as well, etc. :smile:
 
Mk said:
Overweight isn't a cause, it's a parallel effect. The only reason not to be excessively obese (to whomever's definition one wishes to apply) is to avoid unpleasantness often associated. You're not as sexy, you don't fit through doors as well, etc. :smile:

:rolleyes: Are you trying to say there are no health consequences to being obese?

- Warren
 
Isn't weight gain/loss simply a matter of calorie intake/calorie withdrawal?
 
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Mk said:
Overweight isn't a cause, it's a parallel effect. The only reason not to be excessively obese (to whomever's definition one wishes to apply) is to avoid unpleasantness often associated. You're not as sexy, you don't fit through doors as well, etc. :smile:



yes its definitely an effect caused by environmental conditions imposed.
 
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I think it is possible to be "overweight" and still be healthy. You might need to get a lot of exercise, or in some respect be athletic.
 
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no ther is no problem with being overweight but accept all of the consequences.
 
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dimensionless said:
I think it is possible to be "overweight" and still be healthy. You might need to get a lot of exercise, or in some respect be athletic.
Aren't those things mutually exclusive?
 
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brewnog is making a point that shouldn't be overlooked.

Even if you're eating well and such, the weight is putting a lot of strain on your system - muscles, skeleton, lungs - but particularly the heart.

You may not experience it at first, but that strain will catch up to you.

As a very loose example, people who suffer from gigantism (who weigh a lot yet are not overweight) suffer a plethora of maladies, strongly hinting that weight alone (obesity aside) is harmful.
 
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kiss your load bearing joints good bye if you're overweight
 
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ice109 said:
kiss your load bearing joints good bye if you're overweight

true, an orthopedist once told me that for every extra 10 pounds above your ideal body weight you put 60 pounds per square inch of extra pressure on your knee joints every time you walk. That's why knee replacements are becoming commonplace in younger and younger people ( they were overweight teens/young adults.)
 
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Not to mention

Even if you ate all healthy foods, but more than you needed and got big.. you're putting an extreme load on your heart. I'm not talking about just clots and whatnot. I'm talking about a larger body that makes the heart struggle more to deliver the blood to all the right places.
 

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