Is There a Relationship Between Principal Quantum Number and Amplitude?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the principal quantum number and amplitude, exploring whether there is an analogy between these concepts in quantum mechanics and classical wave theory. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the principal quantum number is analogous to amplitude in classical waves, relating it to the energy of the electron and its average distance from the nucleus.
  • Another participant challenges this analogy, arguing that the comparison is vague and requires a demonstration of how the principal quantum number relates to amplitude, stating that it does not represent amplitude in the context of the Schrödinger equation.
  • This participant also notes that the principal quantum number only refers to energy levels in a degenerate case and can change with external fields and spin-orbit coupling.
  • Further replies clarify that the analogy may be based on perception rather than mathematical correlation, emphasizing that the wavefunction of the hydrogen atom does not support a resemblance between the principal quantum number and amplitude.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding eigenvalues, indicating a willingness to explore the mathematical aspects further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the validity of the analogy between the principal quantum number and amplitude, with some arguing against the comparison based on mathematical foundations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the analogy proposed, particularly regarding the mathematical representation of the principal quantum number and its relationship to amplitude, as well as the conditions under which energy levels are defined.

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The principal quantum number refers to the energy of the electron in an atom, and the average distance of the electron from the nucleus. It seems to me to be analogous to the concept of amplitude for a classical wave. Is there a relation?
 
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rauletechuleta said:
The principal quantum number refers to the energy of the electron in an atom, and the average distance of the electron from the nucleus. It seems to me to be analogous to the concept of amplitude for a classical wave. Is there a relation?

This is such a vague similarities. It is like claiming that a cow is analogous to a basketball just because from very far, the cow looks like a sphere.

To be able to make such comparison, you have to show somehow that "n" is related to the amplitude of some kind of a wave. This is not true if you solve for the Schrödinger equation for the H atom, let's say. "n" doesn't strictly represent the amplitude. It does, however, relates to an eigenvalue.

Furthermore, to be complete, it refers to the "energy" of the energy level only in the degenerate case. One can remove the degeneracy via external fields, and including spin-orbit coupling in the atom.

Zz.
 
It doesn't seem like claiming that at all. Your comparison refers to the way the eye's technical limitation prevents the subject from discerning the correct shape of something at a distance. In your example, a basketball would not be analogous to a basketball if you saw them at different distances. Your example is more about perception, while my question is more about definition.

I'm going to check out what an eigenvalue. Thank you ZapperZ
 
rauletechuleta said:
It doesn't seem like claiming that at all. Your comparison refers to the way the eye's technical limitation prevents the subject from discerning the correct shape of something at a distance. In your example, a basketball would not be analogous to a basketball if you saw them at different distances. Your example is more about perception, while my question is more about definition.

But that is, in effect, what you are using, a "perception" of the connect of "n" to the amplitude of a classical wave. There's nothing in the mathematics, if you look at the wavefunction of a H atom, for there to be any kind of resemblance between the two.

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Thank you.
 

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