Is There a Simpler Way to Calculate Derivatives?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around alternative methods for calculating derivatives in calculus. Participants explore different formulations of the derivative, specifically comparing a proposed approach to the traditional difference quotient. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a rearranged version of the traditional difference quotient for calculating derivatives, expressing a desire for acceptance of this method.
  • Another participant suggests that since the proposed method is mathematically equivalent to the traditional approach, it can be used if it is more comfortable for the user.
  • A participant questions whether changing the variable "a" to a different variable would resolve any issues with the proposed method.
  • Another participant argues that the definition of the function must be consistent, noting that swapping variables can lead to confusion if the meanings of the variables are not clear.
  • A later reply clarifies that while swapping letters in the formula does not change the mathematical outcome, it is important to maintain the correct context of the variables involved in specific problems.
  • The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the variable "a" and expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the proposed method is mathematically valid but express differing views on the implications of variable swapping and the importance of maintaining clarity in definitions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of changing variable definitions and the context in which these variables are used, which may affect the interpretation of the derivative calculation.

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I have been studying calculus for only a few days now since I picked up a book on it, trying to get ahead for next year and it's really starting to sink in now and I decided to write down a different way for calculating the derivative, it isn't revolutionary, i am just wondering if it will be accepted by most people or if they prefer the traditional way. Its exactly the same as the traditional difference quotient but I switched it around because it made more sense this way to me.

[tex] f\prime(x)=\[ \lim_{x_{1} \to x_{2}} \frac{f(x_{2})-f(x_{1})}{x_{2}-x_{1}}[/tex]
 
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Since it is mathematically exactly equal to the usual approach, use it if it makes you happy.
 
cam875 said:
I have been studying calculus for only a few days now since I picked up a book on it, trying to get ahead for next year and it's really starting to sink in now and I decided to write down a different way for calculating the derivative, it isn't revolutionary, i am just wondering if it will be accepted by most people or if they prefer the traditional way. Its exactly the same as the traditional difference quotient but I switched it around because it made more sense this way to me.

[tex] f\prime(x)=\[ \lim_{a \to x} \frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}[/tex]
normally, a is a constant and x is a variable thus x tends to a not a tending to x, so u can reverse [tex]\{a \to x}[/tex]
 
what if I made "a" a different variable could that fix it?
 
cam875 said:
what if I made "a" a different variable could that fix it?

The way you defined it f is a function of x, not a it doesn't matter what you use you can't have a constant approaching a variable because for obvious reasons it just doesn't make sense.
 
As mathman told you originally, it doesn't matter. You are simply swapping letters.

Now, if you had a problem like "what is the derivative of f(x)= x2 at x= a", "x" and "a" are already given meanings so you cannot be so cavalier about swapping them.

That is, the standard definition would give 2a while your formula would give 2x. They are exactly the same if you remember that you have swapped a and x. In other words, to answer the problem as given you would have to swap back to get 2a.
 
ok well I meant for "a" to be a variable, didn't realize it was a constant. Anyways I got it cleared up now, thanks guys.
 

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