Is there a stellar type that would make Firefly possible?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a stellar type that could support the conditions necessary for the Firefly universe, which features multiple habitable planets orbiting a large star. Participants explore the characteristics of various stellar classes and their implications for habitability, considering factors such as stability, radiation levels, and the nature of planetary systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a very large star with a wide habitable zone is necessary for the Firefly universe to exist.
  • One participant questions whether a Red Giant could provide the required stability and conditions, noting that they are large but may not be stable enough for long-term habitability.
  • A spreadsheet detailing main sequence stars is shared, indicating relationships between stellar characteristics and the habitable zone, though it is acknowledged that it is simplistic and may not account for exotic cases.
  • Concerns are raised about the short lifespan of massive stars, which could hinder the development of solid planetary crusts and ecosystems.
  • Another participant suggests that the Firefly universe may involve multiple star systems, which could increase the number of habitable zones available.
  • Some express skepticism about the plausibility of supporting numerous habitable planets without venturing into science fantasy.
  • One participant notes the vastness of the universe, suggesting that even improbable scenarios could exist somewhere.
  • Another participant reiterates the potential for habitable moons of gas giants and terraformed worlds, although acknowledging the unlikelihood of such scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the viability of specific stellar types or configurations that could support the Firefly universe. Some argue for the possibility of multiple habitable zones, while others remain skeptical about the feasibility of such systems.

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Participants note limitations regarding the stability of stars and the time required for planets to evolve habitable conditions. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of habitability and the speculative nature of the scenarios presented.

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The Firefly universe (as I understand it) is a large number of planets orbiting a very large star with a wide habitable zone. Of course, to make that work, the star would also have to be reasonably stable and not emit lethal levels of radiation. Is there a stellar class that could, even in principle, provide that environment?
 
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Would a Red Giant fit the bill? Other than during their birth and near their death, aren't they fairly stable? They're certainly huge, their radius can be a hundred million miles or more.
 
Some time ago I made this spreadsheet for main sequence stars:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18dC2D_xyW3tFvWT47kb7Om6hW4YaHpwtUIYtEjvPEEM/edit?usp=sharing
it relates some basic relationships of stellar characteristics and evolution. It's in many ways simplistic, but should give you some idea of what are the scales and directions of tradeoffs between the size of the habitable zone, and the stellar life time.
There could probably be some exotic exemptions to what's in there (e.g. very fast rotators), but I wouldn't bet too much money on those.

The table goes only to something like 5 solar masses, but at that stage the star is already so short-lived, that forming solid planetary crust, let alone evolving a planetary ecosystem, becomes a major stretch.

I've never looked into the lore of Firefly, so I'm not sure what are the orbits of those planets, but you should be able to ascertain whether they fit into the ranges provided in the spreadsheet.

O.k., having just now looked it up, it appears that there are many systems in the 'Verse', most of which consisting of multiple stars (see the poster shown here: http://serenity.popapostle.com/html/episodes/Serenity.htm ) This in effect gives you many habitable zones.

newjerseyrunner said:
Would a Red Giant fit the bill?
That's already a dying star, which has been significantly changing its size for the past few millions of years. Planets need time and stability to evolve habitable conditions, and the red giant stage doesn't provide much of either.
 
Hmm, I don't see any way to support the number of habitable planets in any of those systems without descending into science fantasy. Oh well.
 
For what it is worth, the universe is so vast that almost anything that is possible, no matter how improbable, probably exists somewhere.
 
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Bizmuth said:
The Firefly universe (as I understand it) is a large number of planets orbiting a very large star with a wide habitable zone.

If I recall correctly it is a multiple star system with several small stars orbiting a large star. As each star has its own habitable zone, there are much more habitable planets possible than in a single star system and the number could be further increased by haybitable moons of gas giants. In addition there are some terraformed worlds which could be located outside of habitable zones. Something like that is extremely unlikely but not entirely science fantasy.
 
ohwilleke said:
For what it is worth, the universe is so vast that almost anything that is possible, no matter how improbable, probably exists somewhere.
The repository of lost socks must be somewhere.
 
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