Is There an Ideal Retirement Age for Professors?

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The discussion centers around the perceived fairness and effectiveness of grading methods employed by an older physics professor, who is around 68 years old. Participants express concerns about the inconsistency in grading criteria and the impact on students' understanding of the material. The conversation explores themes of teaching philosophy, grading practices, and the potential benefits of traditional methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express frustration with the professor's grading methods, noting that they seem arbitrary and inconsistent from test to test.
  • One participant suggests that students should directly ask the professor about his grading criteria to gain clarity before raising complaints.
  • Another viewpoint argues that the professor's approach may be beneficial for mastering physics from first principles rather than focusing solely on grades.
  • A participant reflects positively on their experiences with older professors, suggesting that traditional grading methods can be effective and that such educators often advocate for students with potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the fairness of the professor's grading methods, with some advocating for understanding the rationale behind them while others question their effectiveness. No consensus is reached on whether the grading practices are appropriate.

Contextual Notes

Participants' views are influenced by their personal experiences and perceptions of teaching effectiveness, which may vary widely. The discussion does not resolve the underlying issues related to grading practices and their implications for student learning.

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So my physics professor is around 68 and his grading methods drive us all up the walls. He's very old school and it seems as though he will pick one person a class and give them the A. His grading methods change from test to test so we never know how to present the material. In one test he'll take off points for not explicitly stating where an equation came from or why we know the information that is written. and then when you do that on another test he'll take off points for having now "unnecessary" material and not presenting it in a professional manner. Does this seem fair to anyone?
 
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Yes! You should all be flogged until you can recite your log tables.

Have you asked him how his grading method works?
 
phyguy321 said:
So my physics professor is around 68 and his grading methods drive us all up the walls. He's very old school and it seems as though he will pick one person a class and give them the A. His grading methods change from test to test so we never know how to present the material. In one test he'll take off points for not explicitly stating where an equation came from or why we know the information that is written. and then when you do that on another test he'll take off points for having now "unnecessary" material and not presenting it in a professional manner. Does this seem fair to anyone?

Contact the head of the department.
 
phyguy321 said:
So my physics professor is around 68 and his grading methods drive us all up the walls. He's very old school and it seems as though he will pick one person a class and give them the A. His grading methods change from test to test so we never know how to present the material. In one test he'll take off points for not explicitly stating where an equation came from or why we know the information that is written. and then when you do that on another test he'll take off points for having now "unnecessary" material and not presenting it in a professional manner. Does this seem fair to anyone?

Or perhaps you've overcorrected? He may be trying to teach you just the right amount of information to present...think Goldilocks and the Three Bears...too little is not good, nor is too much, it has to be just right.

If you're not sure how he's grading, make an appointment for office hours and ASK before complaining about it. If he can't explain it, then you have a legitimate concern. If he gives you an explanation, then you know what you need to do and can do it and not keep complaining when there's a good reason for it.
 
phyguy321 said:
So my physics professor is around 68 and his grading methods drive us all up the walls. He's very old school and it seems as though he will pick one person a class and give them the A. His grading methods change from test to test so we never know how to present the material. In one test he'll take off points for not explicitly stating where an equation came from or why we know the information that is written. and then when you do that on another test he'll take off points for having now "unnecessary" material and not presenting it in a professional manner. Does this seem fair to anyone?

This is in fact a very good way to teach physics. You should aim to master the subject from first principles and not just aim for high grades in tests.
 
You can learn a lot from the old guys. My two favorites were Cecil Reynolds (Prof Emeritus of English and Rhodes Scholar) and Erling Skorpen (head of the philosophy dept), who lured me from engineering to liberal arts when I was a young pup. These guys were old-school, performance-based graders, and they were tireless advocates for students that they thought had some spark and potential.
 

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