Does Anti-Information Exist in Quantum Theory?

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The discussion centers on the concept of "anti-information" in quantum theory, particularly in relation to antimatter and black holes. Participants explore whether antimatter could be viewed as regular matter with anti-information and address the black hole information paradox, emphasizing that information is conserved even when matter is annihilated. Key references include Emmy Noether's Theorem and the "no-hiding theorem" by Braunstein and Pati, which asserts that quantum information cannot be hidden and must exist in some form. The consensus is that while the term "anti-information" lacks a clear definition, information itself is a fundamental property that is always conserved.

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Is there any theory that says anti-information exists?

If there is anti-matter, would that matter carry information to annihilate the regular matter's information saying its a certain type of matter and turn it into energy? Could anti-matter just be regular matter with anti-information.
 
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Jason White said:
Is there any theory that says anti-information exists?

If there is anti-matter, would that matter carry information to annihilate the regular matter's information saying its a certain type of matter and turn it into energy? Could anti-matter just be regular matter with anti-information.

As you said, the matter/antimatter annihilation event releases energy in the form of photons. That energy contains information, so the information is not lost.

Here is a past PF discussion pertaining to that.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/matter-antimatter-annihilation.224821/

But I'm sympathetic to your curiosity. There have been famous debates within the physics community about whether information can be lost through black holes (Hawking vs Susskind). Ultimately, it seems that information is a (the?) fundamental physical property that is always conserved.

I'm not even sure how you would define the concept of "anti-information". It would seem to me that it would simply refer to a lack of information regarding any objective entity/parameter. When you think about it, all physical observables and/or parameters are really information... position, momentum, mass, charge, color, spin, etc... all information about the physical state. But regardless of form, once information exists, it exists. You can't go back. You might look into the concepts of Von Neumann entropy and Shannon entropy.

There's a well known math/physics theorem originally derived by Emmy Noether (not surprisingly called Noether's Theorem) that relates conserved properties to fundamental symmetries. I've always been curious about what symmetry might be reflected by the conservation of information.
 
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Do you know AK Pati's No hiding theorem?:

"Can we hide quantum information in same way like
classical information?
No. If the original information is missing then it must
move to somewhere else and it cannot be hidden in
the correlations between a pair of systems.
This we call the ‘no-hiding theorem’ (Braunstein and
Pati, PRL, 2007)."
 

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