Is there any absolute proof that photons exist?

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The discussion centers on the dismissal of fringe theories, specifically the denial of light photons and the assertion that they are "magically created." Participants emphasize that engaging with such crackpot theories is unproductive, as these ideas are often unfalsifiable and resistant to logical argumentation. The conversation highlights the futility of trying to convince individuals who reject scientific consensus and are entrenched in their beliefs, referencing the backfire effect, which suggests that attempts to refute such views may inadvertently reinforce them. Instead, the focus should remain on discussing established scientific principles, such as the energy of photons in the photoelectric effect and Compton scattering, to promote a more constructive dialogue.
Andew
I mean, look this stupidity: [Mentor's note - link to crackpot site deleted]
This guy denies that light photons exist, and that we are 'magically creating it' like cyclops X-Men
This is worst than flat-earthers, I wonder If there is some evidence or is it unfalsifiable, like solipsism? Because I want to refute him
 
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Andew said:
Because I want to refute him
We do not discuss crackpottery here, even to refute it. Several reasons:
- If we did, we wouldn't be talking about anything else as the supply of crackpottery is apparently endless.
- It can't be refuted. Refutation depends on logical fact-based arguments, and crackpots are impervious to both.
- The positive and productive act of talking about what real science says generates enough work for the mentors and SAs already.
 
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Ok, sorry about that
 
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Yeah, take it from someone who used to spend way too much time bickering with creationists, conspiracy nuts, and "evo-psych" MRAs. You will never convince these people of anything, and in fact you will most likely succeed only in strengthening their convictions because of the backfire effect: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect

Simply put, you can't use a logical and science-based argument on someone who is not interested in using logic himself and is dead-set on the belief that the scientists are in on the conspiracy.
 
For example, E=hv is the energy of a photon in photoelectric effect.
You can also use Compton scattering related examples .
 
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