Is There Evidence for Quantized Space in the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether space itself is quantized, exploring theoretical implications and consequences of such a notion. Participants consider various aspects of quantization in relation to particles, time, and the nature of spacetime, engaging with both theoretical frameworks and speculative ideas.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if space could be quantized, suggesting that a minimum distance might affect particle interactions at the quantum scale.
  • Another participant references "loop quantum gravity" as a related concept, indicating a connection to the idea of quantized space.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of quantized space, including the assertion that particles may not occupy every position, which is challenged by the idea of superposition in quantum mechanics.
  • A participant distinguishes between quantized space and quantized field values, providing an example where a particle moves between two discrete points without occupying the space in between, suggesting that space can be quantized while time remains continuous.
  • Another participant challenges the previous example by questioning the behavior of the particle as time approaches zero, arguing that this implies a quantization of time as well.
  • It is noted that space and time are interconnected in relativity, leading to the assertion that if one is quantized, the other likely is too, although current theories generally treat them as continuous.
  • A participant highlights the difficulty of measuring extremely small regions of space to detect potential quantization, contrasting this with the more straightforward measurement of energy levels in quantum systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of quantized space and whether it necessitates quantized time. There is no consensus on the existence of evidence for quantized space or the nature of spacetime in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the measurement of quantized space and the implications for time. The discussion reflects a range of theoretical perspectives without resolution.

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Hi,

Unfortunately I am not actively involved in physics anymore since high school, but still very interested in the matter. Something has been on my mind for a while and I could not find a answer to this on the internet. But maybe that's because I don't know the right way to look for it, or maybe it is just too complex for me. But my question is:

Has anyone theorized whether space itself is quantized?

I mean: if there would be something like a "minimum distance" of for instance the Planck length divided by some considerable constant, this would have funny consequences for the interactions of particles at quantum scale.

I think this idea might have other possible consequences:

- having a quantized space would mean particles cannot be at every position

- quantized space would also imply quantized time, because for a new state of the reality to exist, something has to change, otherwise it would go undetected.

- 'light speed' is just the effect we see of this quantisation, as it is the interaction of two (or more) nearby 'space points'.

I got triggered to this by http://www.nature.com/news/theoretical-physics-the-origins-of-space-and-time-1.13613 and I think the idea matches 'Causal dynamical triagulations' best, but that concept deals not with quantization.

I wish I'd started a carreer in physics to understand the matter better, but maybe someone on this forums is will to give some comments on this...
 
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Yes, that looks quite similar!
 
kolkmvd said:
- having a quantized space would mean particles cannot be at every position
Why not?

Energy levels are quantised and there is no reason particles cannot exist in a superposition of more than one energy level! This browser window exists on my quantized computer screen and occupies more than one pixel.

kolkmvd said:
- quantized space would also imply quantized time, because for a new state of the reality to exist, something has to change, otherwise it would go undetected.

You should be careful to distinguish between quantized space and a quantization of the field values at each point in space. I can give you an example of quantized space but continuous time:

Two points in space, x1 and x2. Let a particle's location in this quantized space be defined by f(x1,x2) = (1-t)*x1 + (t)*x2. As t evolves, continuously, from 0 to 1, the particle moves smoothly from x1 to x2. But it never occupies anywhere else but the two discrete points. Space is quantized but time is not!
 
mikeph said:
Two points in space, x1 and x2. Let a particle's location in this quantized space be defined by f(x1,x2) = (1-t)*x1 + (t)*x2. As t evolves, continuously, from 0 to 1, the particle moves smoothly from x1 to x2. But it never occupies anywhere else but the two discrete points. Space is quantized but time is not!

I think you're wading in deep water here. What happens to your example in the limit as t -> 0? In that case space is not quantized. If you say, well t can never be EXACTLY zero, then you're saying that time is quantized. I agree that quantized space implies quantized time based on your own example.
 
Space and time are tied together in relativity, so if one if quantized, the other almost certainly is. But, as far as I know, there's no evidence currently of spacetime quantization, and in general relativity and quantum field theory, space and time are continuous.
 
Energy levels are easy to determine and there are numerous rationales as to why particular energies are favoured and thus quantized. There is no equivent ease for measuring ultra small regions of space in order to detect (plank particle sized or worse) granules of vacuum. Doubtless if Zeno were alive today he would disagree.
 

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