Is There Evidence for the Universe's Expansion and a Constant Speed of Light?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of the universe's expansion and the constancy of the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of these ideas, questioning the evidence supporting them and the validity of alternative theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that if space is expanding, then every atom in a physical object, such as a metre rule, would also be expanding, leading to a claim that there is no measurable expansion.
  • Another participant mentions that variable speed of light theories exist but are considered highly speculative and lack unambiguous evidence.
  • A different participant asserts that the universe cannot expand, challenging the validity of this concept.
  • One participant suggests that when encountering ideas that contradict established science, it is prudent to assume a mistake has been made rather than to claim a breakthrough in understanding.
  • Another participant criticizes the initial post for containing incorrect statements and suggests that asking questions should not be based on flawed premises.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the validity of the universe's expansion and the constancy of the speed of light, with no consensus reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clear evidence and the challenges of discussing concepts that contradict established scientific understanding. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of expansion and constancy in the context of the universe.

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Every atom in the universe is 99.99% space.
So if space were "expanding" (compared to what!) every atom in my metre rule would be expanding. So there is no MEASURABLE expansion

Where is the EVIDENCE that the speed of light has "stayed constant" over the past 15 billion years. Compared to what?
 
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Variable speed of light theories persist to this day, despite the lack of unambiguous evidence in support of the idea. It is, at best, viewed as highly speculative.
 
Drmarshall said:
The universe CANNOT expand

Uh ... really ?


When you come up against something that flies so utterly in the face of established science, it is not a good idea to start off reaching different conclusions and stating them as correct but rather to start off with the assumption that you have made a mistake somewhere and try to find out where it is. If you have NOT made a mistake you will find the flaw in the established science, but that is very unlikely to happen. If you start off thinking that you have overturned established science you are likely to just end up embarrassed.
 
This is not a valid thread start.

Asking questions is OK, but making a bunch of incorrect statements in the hope of learning that way is not. It's both inefficient and annoying.
 

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