Is there some reverse of annihilation?

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The discussion centers around the concept of energy generation through processes analogous to nuclear fusion and the potential for "reverse annihilation," particularly focusing on the combination of photons and the implications of particle interactions such as pair production and beta decay. The scope includes theoretical exploration and speculative applications in energy generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that combining certain photons could yield energy similar to nuclear fusion, questioning the feasibility of such a process.
  • Others mention pair production, where a strong electric field can create positron-electron pairs from a vacuum.
  • A participant notes that while photons can produce particles, the resulting baryon count remains zero, and no net energy is released during annihilation processes.
  • There is a discussion about beta decay occurring after particle interactions, with some participants questioning whether this implies a violation of energy conservation.
  • One participant introduces the concept of frequency doubling, asking if such photon combinations could generate net energy or if they always result in energy loss.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between beta decay and nuclear fission, noting that beta decay energy can be considered part of the total energy release in fission processes.
  • There is speculation about stimulating beta decay in isotopes with strong electric fields to create clean energy sources, particularly from isotopes with long half-lives.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the potential for photon combinations to generate energy and the implications of beta decay in these processes. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the feasibility or mechanisms of these ideas.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions for photon interactions, the unresolved nature of energy conservation in the context of beta decay, and the speculative nature of proposed energy generation methods.

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When heavy nuclei split up we get energy,when light nuclei join together we get energy.
When elemental particles split up in annihilation we get energy (photons).
What if we join certain photons together?Could we obtain energy in this way and make analog of
nuclear fusion?
 
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Stanley514 said:
When heavy nuclei split up we get energy,when light nuclei join together we get energy.
When elemental particles split up in annihilation we get energy (photons).
What if we join certain photons together?Could we obtain energy in this way and make analog of
nuclear fusion?

Yes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation.
 
See 'pair production'.

a large enough electric field applied to a vacuum will create positron-electron pairs.
 
I also mean something that could generate net energy similar to fusion and be used by humans.
 
Stanley514 said:
When heavy nuclei split up we get energy,when light nuclei join together we get energy.
When elemental particles split up in annihilation we get energy (photons).
What if we join certain photons together?Could we obtain energy in this way and make analog of nuclear fusion?
When heavy nuclei split up, the resulting masses are less, and the mass difference is converted to energy (photons, heat). The remaining mass is the minimum mass subject to constraints (e.g., baryon number).

In fusion reactions, the resulting masses are less, and the mass difference is converted to energy (photons, heat). The remaining mass is the minimum mass subject to constraints.

When two photons produce particles (e.g., baryon anti-baryon pair) the anti-baryon quickly annihilates with a baryon (not the same one), and the baryon count remains zero, with no net energy released.

[added] Beta decay will often occur immediately after these processes, and (anti)-neutrinos will then carry off some un-recoverable energy.

Bob S
 
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Beta decay will often occur immediately after these processes, and (anti)-neutrinos will then carry off some un-recoverable energy.

Could you give some link to more detailed info in this subject?
Beta decay from where is happening?Does it mean that energy conservation law is violated?

There is also such technique as frequency doubling when one two photons combine to form one with greater energy.
Do such combinations or maybe spliting generate some net energy?Or they always loose it?
 
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Although beta decay is not directly part of nuclear fission, the beta-day lifetimes are sometimes so short that the additional beta-decay energy released can be counted as part of the total energy release in the total fission fragmentation process. There are many neutron-rich fission products with half-lives in the millisecond range.

When I referred to (anti) neutrinos carrying away "un-recoverable" energy, I did not mean that the energy is lost. The neutrinos end up in some other galaxy in a few thousand light-years, and release their energy there, but the energy is never really "lost". Energy is always conserved in some form, of which the lowest forms (when there are no constraints) are photons or phonons; gammas, X-rays. UV, light, IR, etc. With one exception (that I can think of), neutrinos are always released in a continuous spectrum up to a fixed-energy end point (Curie point), and never in a discrete energy line, like the 661-KeV Cs-137 gamma ray line for example.

When two equal-energy photons collide and create a matter-antimatter pair, the energy of the two photons adds to produce ECM, or total energy in the center of mass. But the two photons do not literally couple to produce a single photon of twice the energy (e.g., "frequency doubling", like in lasers). Look up two-photon physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics

Bob S
 
Is it possible to stimulate beta decay of isotopes with very strong electrical fields?
There is lot of isotopes in Earth crust,for example zinc-70 or Ptassium-40 which have very long beta decay half life.If we could stimulate very short half-life in them we could create clean neutroneless energetics.
http://prc.aps.org/abstract/PRC/v29/i5/p1825_1
 

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