Is this a good way to explain Skolem's Paradox?

In summary, the paradox is that a model that "sees" only countably many things in the universe can say some sets contain uncountably many elements. But how can a model that "sees" only countably many things in the universe account for all the "extra" members of A? It can't.
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"The paradox: Let T be a standard first-order formulation of ZFC. Assume T has a model. By Skolem's Theorem, T has a countable model M. Since T ⊢ ∃A(A is uncountable), M ⊨ ∃A(A is uncountable). But how can M—i.e. a model that “sees” only countably many things in the universe—“say” some sets contain uncountably many elements? How can M account for all the “extra” members of A? It can’t. According to M, A can be at most countable as there are only countably many “things” available (in the domain of M) to be in A. So A paradoxically looks countable and uncountable."

Is there anything WRONG? UNECESSARY? MISSING?

Or, is there a simpler way to put it, so that a 10 year old could understand it?

Gracias.
 
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I like to use colors. Countable is a property of sets in the set-theoretic universe in which we've formulated logic. It means there is a function that provides a bijection from the set to the natural numbers.

Countable is a property of sets in the theory T. It means there is a function that provides a bijection from the set to the natural numbers.

Countable is a property of sets in a model of T. It means there is a function that provides a bijection from the set to the natural numbers.

We can assume the model is regular, so that every set is a set. Countable is, of course, the interpretation of countable in the model.

Continuing with the assumption, every function between sets is also a function. But the reverse might not be true.

So, a set can be countable without being countable.
 
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After this explanation by Hurkyl (that is rigorously correct), we may ask further questions : how is it possible that a function between given sets in the model, may exist outside the model but not inside it ? The theory gives a name to the set of all functions between given sets (say the set of functions from E to F is named FE), but this name may have different interpretations between models.
In each model this name means the set of all functions from E to F that exist inside this model, so that they are in this set whenever they are in this model; but it cannot exclude the existence of such functions ouside the model (that do not coincide with any function inside).
This sort of incompleteness is a specific character of the powerset, that does not happen for some other constructions of sets (union, image of a function, subset defined by formulas with bounded quantifiers).
I have explained this difference and other paradoxical aspects of the foundations of mathematics in my web site.
 

1. What is Skolem's Paradox?

Skolem's Paradox is a philosophical and mathematical paradox that questions the idea of infinity. It was first proposed by the Norwegian mathematician Thoralf Skolem in the early 20th century.

2. How does Skolem's Paradox relate to the foundations of mathematics?

Skolem's Paradox challenges the concept of set theory and the idea of an infinite set. It raises questions about the foundations of mathematics and the validity of certain mathematical principles.

3. Can you explain Skolem's Paradox in simpler terms?

In simpler terms, Skolem's Paradox questions whether or not infinite sets actually exist in reality, or if they are simply a conceptual construct created by humans.

4. What are some proposed solutions to Skolem's Paradox?

There are several proposed solutions to Skolem's Paradox, including the idea that infinite sets are simply a useful abstraction and do not necessarily have to exist in reality. Another solution is the idea of a "potential infinite," where infinite sets are constantly growing and never truly reach a state of completion.

5. How does Skolem's Paradox impact our understanding of the universe?

Skolem's Paradox has implications for our understanding of the universe and its potential infinity. It raises questions about the nature of reality and the limits of human knowledge and understanding.

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