Is this a way to stimulate an alpha emitter?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of stimulating alpha emission from radioactive nuclei using a high-energy particle beam directed at a cold volume of liquid helium-4. Participants explore the implications of quantum mechanics and the potential enhancement of alpha decay rates in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a high-energy particle beam directed at liquid helium-4 could stimulate alpha emission from nuclei, suggesting a potential enhancement factor based on the number of ground state helium-4 atoms.
  • Another participant counters that alpha particles are helium nuclei, while the superfluid helium consists of atoms, implying a lack of interaction that could lead to stimulation.
  • Concerns are raised about the phase space of alpha decay being significantly larger than that of liquid helium, suggesting that any effect would be negligible.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of creating a beam with the precise energy needed for the proposed interaction, with one noting that scattering processes would likely disrupt the beam and the liquid helium.
  • Questions are posed regarding the use of the number of ground state helium-4 atoms in calculations and whether this could provide an enhancement factor.
  • There is inquiry into the quantum limits of particle acceleration and whether current technology approaches these limits, with a participant noting that accelerators are not close to such limits and that beams are typically "hot."

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Participants express differing views on the potential for stimulating alpha emission and the relevance of the phase space considerations. There is no consensus on the feasibility of the proposed experiment or the implications of quantum mechanics in this context.

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Limitations include the assumptions about interactions between alpha particles and helium atoms, the precision of particle acceleration, and the specific conditions required for the proposed stimulation effect. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Say we can create a high energy particle beam of radioactive alpha emitting nuclei (all the same kind). Let the particle beam have an energy such that if an alpha particle is emitted in the direction opposite to the beam direction the alpha particle will appear in the lab frame to be almost at rest. Now have this high energy particle beam be directed at a meter cubed volume of liquid helium-4 which is so cold that nearly all of the helium is in the ground state. Does the liquid helium-4 in this situation stimulate the alpha emitting nuclei to emit an alpha particle as they pass through the liquid helium even if only a small amount? Reading Feynman's lectures on bose particles (https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/III_04.html) I might naively think there would be a factor of N enhancement of alpha emission (in the direction opposite the beam direction) while the nuclei passed through the liquid helium where N is the number of helium-4 atoms in the Bose-Einstein condensate, which for a meter cubed volume of liquid helium-4 is a large number, but I'm not sure that is correct for this situation. I know Quantum Mechanics always gets it right as long as you analyse the problem properly.

Thanks for any help.
 
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I don't think there will be any effect. Among other problems, alpha particles are helium nuclei while your superfluid helium consists of atoms.

Even if there is an effect it would be completely negligible.
  • The phase space of alpha decay is really large compared to the phase space of the liquid helium.
  • Making a beam with just the right energy needs applied magic.
  • The first scattering process - still within the container walls - will ruin your magic beam.
  • Further scattering process in the helium will ruin the liquid helium
 
mfb said:
  • The phase space of alpha decay is really large compared to the phase space of the liquid helium.
  • Making a beam with just the right energy needs applied magic.
  • The first scattering process - still within the container walls - will ruin your magic beam.
  • Further scattering process in the helium will ruin the liquid helium

I get the first bullet point. In a proper calculation though would the number of ground state helium-4 atoms in the meter cubed target volume be used, if so that is quite an enhancement factor?

Is there a quantum limit on how precise particles can be accelerated? I practice can we get close to that limit?

I am interested in how quantum mechanics or quantum field theory is properly applied to this thought experiment.

Thanks.
 
Spinnor said:
on though would the number of ground state helium-4 atoms in the meter cubed target volume be used, if so that is quite an enhancement factor?
No.
In particular, there is nothing special about a cubic meter.
Spinnor said:
Is there a quantum limit on how precise particles can be accelerated? I practice can we get close to that limit?
Momentum can be very sharp if the position is spread out, but accelerators are nowhere near such a limit. Beams are "hot".
 

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