Is This Differential Equation Non-Exact in Non-Simply Connected Regions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differential equation \(\frac{-y}{ x^{2}+y ^{2} } + \frac{x}{ x^{2}+y ^{2}}y'=0\) and whether it is non-exact in the region \(\mathbb{R^{2}} \setminus \{(0,0)\}\). Participants explore the implications of the domain not being simply connected and the challenges this presents in proving the non-exactness of the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to show that the equation is not exact by leveraging the non-simply connected nature of the domain.
  • Another suggests assuming the existence of a potential function \(F\) and integrating around a circle to demonstrate that if \(F\) exists, the integral must equal zero.
  • A participant questions the validity of using line integrals, emphasizing that the existence of a function \(F\) is tied to the integral being zero for every closed curve, which is only true in simply connected domains.
  • Another participant proposes examining the derivative of \((y/x)\) or \((\arctan(y/x))\) as a potential approach.
  • One participant claims to know how to solve the equation in simply connected domains but notes difficulties near the point \((0,0)\) in the current domain.
  • A later reply suggests that integrals could be used, referencing the function \(F = C + \arctan2(y,x)\) and discussing the nonexistence of limits at \((0,0)\) which implies discontinuity and non-exactness.
  • It is noted that excluding a path to infinity along with \((0,0)\) would result in a simply connected region and an exact equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the use of integrals and the implications of the domain's topology on the existence of a potential function. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the non-exactness of the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations posed by the non-simply connected nature of the domain, which affects the applicability of certain mathematical tools and theorems related to exact differentials.

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I try to show, that equation
[itex]\frac{-y}{ x^{2}+y ^{2} } + \frac{x}{ x^{2}+y ^{2}}y'=0[/itex]
is not exact in [itex]\mathbb{R^{2}} \setminus \{(0,0)\}[/itex].
It's obvious that I have to use the fact, that the set is not simply connected, but I don't know how to do it.
 
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I would try this:
Assume that it is exact and that there is a potential function F. Integrate its derivative (as given by your problem) in a circle around (0,0). If such a function F exists, the result has to be 0.
 
I'm not sure, if we can use the line integral here. We are trying to show, that there doesn't exist function F such that F is exact differential, that is
[tex]\frac{ \partial F}{ \partial x}=\frac{-y}{ x^{2}+y ^{2} }[/tex] and [tex]\frac{ \partial F}{ \partial y}=\frac{x}{ x^{2}+y ^{2}}[/tex]
Existence of such function is equivalent to [tex]\int_{L}\frac{-y}{ x^{2}+y ^{2} } \mbox{d}x +\frac{x}{ x^{2}+y ^{2}} \mbox{d}y=0[/tex] for every closed curve L. Although, this statement is true only if the domain is simply connected; and our domain isn't of this kind.
 
consider
(y/x)'
or
(Arctan(y/x))'
 
I know how to solve this equation and how to find F in any "regular" domain, for example in real plane [tex]\mathbb{R^{2}}[/tex]. Problems appear in the neighbourhood of point (0,0) in our domain, because all methods of solving this kind of equation, I know are valid only in simply connected domain.
 
I do not know why you could not use integrals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atan2

Suppose
F=C+Arctan2(y,x)
F'=0
but consider the nonexistence of the limit (by inequality of directional limits)

[itex]\lim_{(x,y) \rightarrow (0,0)} F(x,y)[/itex]

F cannot be continuous and the equation is not exact

Note that if we had excluded a path to infinity along with 0 we would have a simply connected region and an exact equation
 

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