Is This Flawed Proof by Induction Misusing the Principle?

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The discussion revolves around a purported flawed proof by induction claiming that all horses are the same color. Participants analyze the validity of the proof's inductive step and whether it correctly applies the principle of induction.

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  • One participant asserts that the proof fails because it assumes n + 1 does not equal 2, suggesting a limitation in the inductive step.
  • Another participant argues that the indexing of sets S', S'', and S is legitimate and that breaking the set into subsets does not invalidate the proof.
  • Several participants discuss the inductive hypothesis, indicating that it must hold for both subsets S' and S'', and that the proof needs to show that these subsets imply the conclusion for the larger set S.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proof, with some supporting its structure while others highlight flaws in the inductive reasoning. No consensus is reached regarding the correctness of the proof.

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Participants note that the proof's inductive step may not adequately account for the case when n equals 2, which could affect the generality of the argument.

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At the end of this video lecture on the Principle of Induction, the teacher gives the following example of a flawed proof that misuses the principle.

Theorem. All horses are the same colour.

Proof. (By induction.)

Base case. In a set of one horse {h}, the principle clearly holds.

Inductive step. Suppose S = {h1,...,hn+1}, S' = {h1,...,hn}, S'' = {h2,...,hn+1} are sets of horses. Sets S' and S'' each have one horse fewer than S. h2 is an element of S' and of S''. Therefore all horses in S will have the same colour, in particular the same colour as h2.

End proof.


The explanation offered is that this proof fails because the inductive step assumes that n does not equal 2, and so isn't general enough.

Is there another flaw, namely that the proof treats S' and S'' as distinct sets of horses but has indexed them with the same natural number as each other? To use the principle of induction correctly, wouldn't we need to use distinct labels for distinct objects?

EDIT. Correction: It assumes n + 1 does not equal 2.
 
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No, what is done their is perfectly legitimate. If you have, say, four objects, labeled a, b, c, and d, you are justified into breaking the set {a, b, c, d} into the union of {a, b, c} and {b, c, d} and that is all that is done. The indexing is completely irrelevant to the proof.
 
Is the inductive hypothesis here not only that all the horses in S' are the same colour as each other, but also that all the horses in S'' are the same colour as each other? I'm guessing so, since the sets are indexed just by the number of elements they have. Then what the inductive step has to show is that these statements imply that all the horses in S are the same colour as each other.
 
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Is the inductive hypothesis here not only that all the horses in S' are the same colour as each other, but also that all the horses in S'' are the same colour as each other?
Certainly. The proof goes by induction on the number, say n, of horses. First it is shown that for n=1 it holds. Then the inductive hypothesis is that it holds for some n, i.e. that any set of n horses has the same color. This is then applied to the sets S and S'', which are both sets of n horses.
 
Okay, I think I get it now. Thank to you both for your help.
 

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