Is this formula applicable for defining max{u*,v*} as an outer measure on X?

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The discussion revolves around whether the expression max{u*, v*} can be defined as an outer measure on a set X, focusing on the properties that characterize outer measures and examining the implications of these properties in relation to the maximum of two outer measures.

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  • One participant suggests checking the properties that define an outer measure to see if max{u*, v*} satisfies them.
  • Another participant lists the defining properties of an outer measure, including the measure of the empty set, monotonicity, and countable subadditivity, asserting that max{u*, v*} must satisfy these to be considered an outer measure.
  • It is noted that the first two properties are straightforward, while the third property relates to the maximum of sums being less than or equal to the sum of maximums.
  • A later reply introduces a formula for max{a, b} as (a + b + |a - b|) / 2, suggesting an alternative approach to the problem.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of max{u*, v*} as an outer measure, with some asserting it fails to meet the necessary properties while others explore alternative ideas without reaching consensus.

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The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and properties of outer measures, as well as the implications of using the maximum function in this context. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the verification of the properties for max{u*, v*}.

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let \mu^{}* , v^{}* outer measura on X . Show that max{\mu^{}* , v^{}*} is an outer measure on X ?
 
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The first (possibly only) thing to try would be to look at the properties that define an outer measure, and check whether max(u,v) satisfies them. Did you try that yet?
 
Tinyboss said:
The first (possibly only) thing to try would be to look at the properties that define an outer measure, and check whether max(u,v) satisfies them. Did you try that yet?

Yes I have tried a lot
 
To0ta said:
Yes I have tried a lot
And what was the result?
 
FAIL.

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_measure#Formal_definitions

Defining properties of an outer measure:

* The empty set has measure 0.
* Monotonicity: If A is a subset of B, then the measure of A is at most the measure of B.
* Countable Subadditivity: The measure of a countable union of sets is at most the sum of the measures of each of the sets in the union.

If u* and v* are outer measures, then max{u*,v*} is outer measure if and only if it satisfies the above three properties.

In other words:

* max{u*(empty set), v*(empty set)} = 0.

* If A is a subset of B, then max{u*A,v*A} is less than or equal to max{u*B,v*B}.

*If A1, A2, A3, ... are sets, and A is their union, then max{u*A,v*A} is less than or equal to the sum over i = 1,2,3,... of max{u*Ai,v*Ai}.

The first two conditions are really, really straightforward. The third follows from the fact that the maximum of two sums (say, for example, of max{sum of x_i, sum of y_i}) is at most the sum of the maximums (i.e. the sum of max{x_i,y_i}).
 
jgm340 said:
FAIL.

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_measure#Formal_definitions

Defining properties of an outer measure:

* The empty set has measure 0.
* Monotonicity: If A is a subset of B, then the measure of A is at most the measure of B.
* Countable Subadditivity: The measure of a countable union of sets is at most the sum of the measures of each of the sets in the union.

If u* and v* are outer measures, then max{u*,v*} is outer measure if and only if it satisfies the above three properties.

In other words:

* max{u*(empty set), v*(empty set)} = 0.

* If A is a subset of B, then max{u*A,v*A} is less than or equal to max{u*B,v*B}.

*If A1, A2, A3, ... are sets, and A is their union, then max{u*A,v*A} is less than or equal to the sum over i = 1,2,3,... of max{u*Ai,v*Ai}.

The first two conditions are really, really straightforward. The third follows from the fact that the maximum of two sums (say, for example, of max{sum of x_i, sum of y_i}) is at most the sum of the maximums (i.e. the sum of max{x_i,y_i}).

thanks

Can you resolved by using with another idea





Max{a,b}=a+b+|a-b| / 2
 

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