Is This ODE Solvable by Substitution?

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The discussion revolves around solving the first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by (x-y)dx+xdy=0 through appropriate substitutions. Participants explore different methods of substitution, particularly focusing on homogeneous equations and the implications of various approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the identification of the type of first-order differential equation, specifically a homogeneous equation, and questions how to test the function f.
  • Another participant proposes the substitution y=ux, leading to a transformation of the original equation into a simpler form, but expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • A third participant reiterates the approach of using the substitution y=ux and provides additional context on identifying homogeneous differential equations, emphasizing the need for separate functions for each coefficient.
  • One participant offers an alternative method by rearranging the ODE into a different form and using the substitution v=y/x, leading to a similar conclusion as the previous contributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to solving the ODE, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method. Various substitutions and transformations are discussed, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take next.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the identification of homogeneous functions and the implications of their substitutions. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the transformations presented.

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Solve the ODE by making an appropriate substitution. [math](x-y)dx+xdy=0[/math]

So the textbook presents "three different kinds of first-order differential equations that are solvable by means of a substitution" so I guess my first step is to determine which of the 3 it is.

The first is homogeneous equation: if [math]f(tx, ty)=t^\alpha (x, y)[/math] I'm unclear how to test this on the question because I don't know what f is. Is it [math]f(x, y)=(x-y)+x[/math] where you just drop the dx and dy? If it is, then this works and [math]f(tx, ty)=(tx-ty)+tx=t(f(x,y))[/math]

For homoegeneous equations it's recommended to make the substitution y=ux so then the question becomes $$(x-ux)dx+x(xdu+udx)=0$$
$$(x-ux)dx+x^2 du + xudx =0$$
which simplifies to [math]x dx +x^2 du =0[/math] I don't know what to do next.
 
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find_the_fun said:
... for homoegeneous equations it's recommended to make the substitution y=ux so then the question becomes $$(x-ux)dx+x(xdu+udx)=0$$
$$(x-ux)dx+x^2 du + xudx =0$$
which simplifies to [math]x dx +x^2 du =0[/math] I don't know what to do next.
... first You can further simplify writing...

$\displaystyle d x = - x\ d u \implies d u = - \frac{d x}{x}\ (1)$

... and now You can integrate both terms of (1)

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
find_the_fun said:
Solve the ODE by making an appropriate substitution. [math](x-y)dx+xdy=0[/math]

So the textbook presents "three different kinds of first-order differential equations that are solvable by means of a substitution" so I guess my first step is to determine which of the 3 it is.

The first is homogeneous equation: if [math]f(tx, ty)=t^\alpha (x, y)[/math] I'm unclear how to test this on the question because I don't know what f is. Is it [math]f(x, y)=(x-y)+x[/math] where you just drop the dx and dy? If it is, then this works and [math]f(tx, ty)=(tx-ty)+tx=t(f(x,y))[/math]

For homoegeneous equations it's recommended to make the substitution y=ux so then the question becomes $$(x-ux)dx+x(xdu+udx)=0$$
$$(x-ux)dx+x^2 du + xudx =0$$
which simplifies to [math]x dx +x^2 du =0[/math] I don't know what to do next.

Homogeneous DE's are of the form $f(x,y) \, dx+g(x,y) \, dy=0$, where $f$ and $g$ are homogeneous functions of the same type. That is,
\begin{align*}
f(\lambda x,\lambda y)&=\lambda^n f(x,y),\quad\text{and} \\
g(\lambda x,\lambda y)&=\lambda^n g(x,y).
\end{align*}

So in answer to your question about how to identify homogeneous DE's, you have a separate function for each coefficient of a differential.

Then you do a substitution as you've mentioned, and as chisigma has hinted at, a nice thing happens when you continue.
 
If I were to solve the give ODE, I would first arrange as:

$$x\d{y}{x}=y-x$$

Divide through by $x$:

$$\d{y}{x}=\frac{y}{x}-1$$

Use the substitution $$v=\frac{y}{x}\implies \d{y}{x}=v+x\d{v}{x}$$ and we now have:

$$v+x\d{v}{x}=v-1$$

Subtract through by $v$:

$$x\d{v}{x}=-1$$

Divide through by $x$:

$$\d{v}{x}=-\frac{1}{x}$$

This is equivalent to what is given by chisigma above.
 

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