Is this possible? Omnidirectional Load Pin

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating an omnidirectional load pin for a weighing system that operates while rotating. Participants explore the concept of using strain gauges to measure weight in a setup where the load hangs and does not rotate with the weighing cylinder, despite the platform's rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the proposed omnidirectional load pin is possible with current hardware or if a new design is necessary, suggesting the use of multiple strain gauges.
  • Another participant notes that while it is generally undesirable for the load pin to rotate, it is not forbidden, and proposes using an unthreaded clevis pin or a regular bolt to allow for rotation.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for the device to measure the weight of a variable load that hangs beneath the rotating shaft, raising questions about the implications of rotation on accuracy and the setup of strain gauges.
  • One participant suggests that while the proposed design could measure weight, there may be better methods available, emphasizing the need for friction to create different tensions on either side of the shaft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the desirability and implications of allowing the load pin to rotate, with no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired functionality.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for clarity on the technical setup of strain gauges in relation to the clevis pin load sensor, as well as the effects of rotation on measurement accuracy, indicating potential limitations in the current understanding of the design.

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Please take a look at the attached diagram. This is a rough representation of a concept my team and I would like to implement in a project. Initial research suggests that such pin-based weighing systems are strictly unidirectional (i.e the basic clevis pin loan cells). Our platform rotates while bearing a load with force always in direction of gravity i.e. load does not rotate with weighing cylinder, but "hangs" (forgive my verbiage here - I'm not an engineer). Hopefully the diagram conveys the idea. Assuming I've provided enough information, is this possible either utilizing currently available hardware or designing a new load sensor with multiple strategically placed strain gauges?
 

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Welcome to PF;
What is the problem this device is supposed to overcome - and what is it supposed to do?

It is usually not desirable to allow the load pin to rotate, but it is not forbidden.
An unthreaded clevis pin passing right through the clevis and held by a split pin, or even a regular bolt, will do this.
 
More importantly, what's our cut of the royalties? :p
 
Simon Bridge said:
Welcome to PF;
What is the problem this device is supposed to overcome - and what is it supposed to do?

It is usually not desirable to allow the load pin to rotate, but it is not forbidden.
An unthreaded clevis pin passing right through the clevis and held by a split pin, or even a regular bolt, will do this.

The entire shaft spins as part of a larger mechanical assembly. Without going into unnecessary detail, we need it to measure the weight of a variable load that will hang beneath. The direction of force is always down, but variable by 360* in relation to the "clevis pin load cell" like shaft as it spins (b) . Shear force occurs between a and b, this would be where the strain gauges would be (think 1/2 of a clevis pin load cell) Don't know if that clears it up any..

Rotation "not forbidden" - interesting...why is it undesirable? Does it affect accuracy? Are we talking 360* rotation? Can you link to any technical material that might explain in more detail how the strain gauges are set up in a clevis pin load sensor so that a weight reading could be obtained despite pin rotation?

Thanks immensely!
 
You were talking about a load pin and referred to a clevis pin - desirability really depends on function: think "hinges".
The device you have drawn could be configured to measure weight - but there are better ways. You need the load supports to slip but there should be enough friction to get a different tension on each side of the shaft ... unless you intend that the load should turn with the shaft.
Weight always points down - that is the definition of "down" - even if the load is in vertical circular motion.