Is this Pythagorean Theorem proof legitimate and correct?

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The discussion revolves around the legitimacy and correctness of a proof for the Pythagorean theorem, specifically questioning whether certain trigonometric relations require the theorem for their validation or if they can be established through alternative methods.

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  • Participants explore the validity of a proof that employs trigonometric identities, questioning whether these identities necessitate the Pythagorean theorem for their proof or can be derived independently. Some suggest simpler methods exist for establishing these trigonometric relations.

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The conversation includes various perspectives on the proof's validity, with some participants asserting its invalidity based on the use of certain trigonometric identities. Others provide alternative derivations of these identities without invoking the Pythagorean theorem, leading to a productive exchange of ideas.

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There is a recognition that the discussion involves advanced mathematical concepts, including series definitions of trigonometric functions and their derivatives, which may not align with pre-calculus understanding.

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I found this proof of Pythagoras theorem, I need to find if it's "legitimate" and if it's correct. I mean by that: does the trigonometric relations I used need Pythagoras to be proved , or they were found by another method. Thank you in advance.
 

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They are found in much simpler methods, but it looks right.
 
mohamadh95 said:
I found this proof of Pythagoras theorem, I need to find if it's "legitimate" and if it's correct. I mean by that: does the trigonometric relations I used need Pythagoras to be proved , or they were found by another method. Thank you in advance.

Your proof is invalid: it uses ##\sin(\theta) = \sqrt{1-\cos^2(\theta)},## but this property requires Pythagoras in its proof!
 
It depends on how you define the trigonometric functions. If you use the definition over their series
\cos x=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^k}{(2k)!} x^{2k}, \quad \sin x=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^k}{(2k+1)!} x^{2k+1},
which defines these functions for all \mathbb{R}, you can easily prove that
\cos' x=-\sin x, \quad \sin' x=\cos x
and from this
\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} x}[\cos^2 x+\sin^2 x]=0 \; \Rightarrow \cos^2 x+\sin^2 x=\text{const},
and from that, because of \cos 0=1, \quad \sin 0=0 you get \cos^2 x + \sin^2 x=1.
Then you can define the number \pi/2 as the smallest positive solution of \cos(\pi/2)=0.

In this way you can derive step by step all the properties of sin and cos without using any geometric definitions. Then you can prove the geometrical properties of these functions from the unit circle's standard parametrization
x=\cos \varphi, \quad y=\sin \varphi, \quad \varphi \in [0,2 \pi).
This is, however, obviously not precalculus anymore.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Your proof is invalid: it uses ##\sin(\theta) = \sqrt{1-\cos^2(\theta)},## but this property requires Pythagoras in its proof!
Well about this equality I saw on Wikipedia that (sin(x))^2=(1-cos(2x))/2 is obtained from the cosine double-angle formula which can be proved without Pythagoras. And that's how I can find this equality without Pythagoras.
 
vanhees71 said:
It depends on how you define the trigonometric functions. If you use the definition over their series
\cos x=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^k}{(2k)!} x^{2k}, \quad \sin x=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^k}{(2k+1)!} x^{2k+1},
which defines these functions for all \mathbb{R}, you can easily prove that
\cos' x=-\sin x, \quad \sin' x=\cos x
and from this
\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} x}[\cos^2 x+\sin^2 x]=0 \; \Rightarrow \cos^2 x+\sin^2 x=\text{const},
and from that, because of \cos 0=1, \quad \sin 0=0 you get \cos^2 x + \sin^2 x=1.
Then you can define the number \pi/2 as the smallest positive solution of \cos(\pi/2)=0.

In this way you can derive step by step all the properties of sin and cos without using any geometric definitions. Then you can prove the geometrical properties of these functions from the unit circle's standard parametrization
x=\cos \varphi, \quad y=\sin \varphi, \quad \varphi \in [0,2 \pi).
This is, however, obviously not precalculus anymore.
Thank you very much, I should have thought of that earlier. Now I can confirm that the proof is right.
 
mohamadh95 said:
Thank you very much, I should have thought of that earlier. Now I can confirm that the proof is right.

Of course---Rudin does it this way. But that is hardly pre-calculus, as you say.
 

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