MHB Is this the desired bounded set of the wave equation?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the solution to the initial value problem of the wave equation maintains compact support if the initial data and non-homogeneous term have compact support. The participants analyze the conditions under which the solution, represented by the formula for u(x,t), equals zero outside a bounded set. They conclude that the solution is zero outside the interval [-L-T, L+T], which holds for any L and T. There is some confusion regarding the implications of the derived bounds, particularly concerning the arbitrary nature of T. Ultimately, they affirm that the compact support of the solution is preserved under the given conditions.
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Hello! (Wave)

I want to show for the initial value problem of the wave equation

$$u_{tt}=u_{xx}+f(x,t), x \in \mathbb{R}, 0<t<\infty$$

that if the data (i.e. the initial data and the non-homogeneous term $f$) have compact support, then, at each time, the solution has also compact support.

I have thought the following:

The initial data are these, right?

$$u(x,0)=\phi(x) \\ u_t(x,0)=\psi(x)$$

The functions $f, \phi, \psi$ have compact support and so they are zero outside a bounded set $[-L,L]$.

The solution of the initial value problem is

$$u(x,t)=\frac{1}{2}[\phi(x+t)+\phi(x-t)]+\frac{1}{2} \int_{x-t}^{x+t} \psi(y) dy+\frac{1}{2} \int_0^t \int_{x-(t-s)}^{x+(t-s)} f(y,s) dy ds.$$

Let $t=T$ arbitrary.

Then

$$u(x,T)=\frac{1}{2}[\phi(x+T)+\phi(x-T)]+\frac{1}{2} \int_{x-T}^{x+T} \psi(y) dy+\frac{1}{2} \int_0^T \int_{x-(T-s)}^{x+(T-s)} f(y,s) dy ds.$$

We check when $u(x,T)=0$.

We have $u(x,T)=0$ if

  1. $x+T, x-T \in \mathbb{R} \setminus{[-L,L]} \Rightarrow ((x+T<-L \text{ or } x+T>L)) \text{ and } (x-T<-L \text{ or } x-T>L)$
  2. $(x-T<-L \text{ and } x+T<-L) \text{ or } (x-T>L \text{ and } x+T>L)$
  3. $(x-T+s<-L \text{ and } x+T-s<-L) \text{ or } (x-T+s>L \text{ and } x+T-s>L) \text{ for } 0 \leq s \leq T$.
From $2$ we get that $x<-L-T$ or $x>L+T$.

From $3$ we get that $x<-L+s-T$ or $x>L+T-s$ and thus $x<-L$ or $x>L$.Thus the bounded set outside of which $u$ is zero is $[-L-T,L]$, right?

Or have I done something wrong? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
From $3$ we get that $x<-L+s-T$ or $x>L+T-s$ and thus $x<-L$ or $x>L$.

Hey evinda!

Since $0 \le s \le T$, shouldn't that be $x<-L-T$ or $x>L+T$ ? (Wondering)

evinda said:
Thus the bounded set outside of which $u$ is zero is $[-L-T,L]$, right?

Shouldn't that be $[-L-T,L+T]$ ? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey evinda!

Since $0 \le s \le T$, shouldn't that be $x<-L-T$ or $x>L+T$ ? (Wondering)
Shouldn't that be $[-L-T,L+T]$ ? (Wondering)

Oh yes, right... (Nod)

And from $1$ we get that $(x<-L-T \text{ or } x>L-T) \text{ and } (x<T-L \text{ or } x>L+T)$, right? (Thinking)

Do the fact that $u$ is zero when $x>L-T$ and $x<T-L$ change something? :confused:
 
evinda said:
Oh yes, right...

And from $1$ we get that $(x<-L-T \text{ or } x>L-T) \text{ and } (x<T-L \text{ or } x>L+T)$, right?

Do the fact that $u$ is zero when $x>L-T$ and $x<T-L$ change something?

Yes.
What should it change? And where did you get that?
The point was that we would find that $u$ has compact support, wasn't it? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Yes.
What should it change? And where did you get that? (Wondering)

We get that $u$ is zero outside the boundet set $[T-L,L-T]$, right?

If so, then this holds only if $T<L$. But isn't this a contradiction since $t=T$ was arbitrary? (Worried)
 
evinda said:
Thus the bounded set outside of which $u$ is zero is $[-L-T,L+T]$, right?

evinda said:
We get that $u$ is zero outside the boundet set $[T-L,L-T]$, right?

If so, then this holds only if $T<L$. But isn't this a contradiction since $t=T$ was arbitrary?

Didn't we find that $u$ was zero outside $[-L-T,L+T]$?
That holds for any $L\ge 0$ and $T \ge 0$ doesn't it? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Didn't we find that $u$ was zero outside $[-L-T,L+T]$?
That holds for any $L\ge 0$ and $T \ge 0$ doesn't it? (Wondering)

Ah, from $1$ we get that $u$ is zero outside $[T-L,L-T]$ but the latter is a subset of $[-L-T,L+T]$, right? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Ah, from $1$ we get that $u$ is zero outside $[T-L,L-T]$ but the latter is a subset of $[-L-T,L+T]$, right?

(Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
(Nod)

Great... Thank you very much! (Happy)
 

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