Is Time Composed of Discrete Units in Physics Literature?

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The discussion explores the concept of whether time is composed of discrete units, examining historical and theoretical perspectives within physics literature. Participants express curiosity about the implications of a discrete model of time and its relationship to concepts like Planck time and Planck length.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in the historical context and literature regarding the idea of time being composed of discrete values, questioning if there is a smallest unit of time.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Planck time as a theoretical limit for measurable time, suggesting it represents a fundamental unit.
  • A subsequent post raises questions about the acceptance of Planck time in the scientific community and its implications for understanding time and space, suggesting that if time is discrete, it could imply that space is also discrete.
  • One participant speculates that motion must occur in multiples of Planck length, noting the challenges of measuring such small scales and the breakdown of current physics at these levels.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that if one could traverse a Planck distance, it would imply traveling faster than light, reflecting on the implications of such a scenario.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that our understanding of physics does not operate effectively at scales smaller than Planck units, leading to practical considerations of envisioning space-time in discrete terms.

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Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the discreteness of time and space, with no clear consensus on the implications or acceptance of these ideas within the scientific community.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current measurements and the breakdown of physical laws at scales smaller than Planck units, which may affect the validity of their discussions on discreteness.

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The title might be a little ambiguous since I do not mean to talk about time curvature. I am interested in some non-technical explanation, in some historical context, of past and current knowledge/research (if there ever was) regarding the possibility that the time line might be entirely composed of discrete values, that is, that time might not be continuous, implying there is a smallest universal unit of time or atoms of time. I know that there is really no reason to think like this, but I am just wondering if this thought has ever occurred in physics literature.Thanks!

I wasn't really sure to what forum type this subject might belong to. I chose this because I thought that 'discretness of time' might pertain to quanta.
 
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Yes, in fact, there is what is called the Planck time, which is the theoretical limit of measurable, and hence meaningful time. It is the time taken for a photon to travel one Planck length of a distance.
 
OMG that is so interesting. Now I have more questions. Is this Planck time accepted by the scientific community? So you can not measure time below this limit? So we can't know if time expands or remains constant in this Planck length of distance? But if time remains still for a photon crossing this distance, then doesn't it mean that the photon does actually jump this distance, the next TIME you look at it? So that means that space is also discrete? OMG!
 
Assuming I'm not confused enough, space would also be discrete, with cubic Planck lengths being the units. Hmmm, something about that doesn't sound right. How about this -- nothing can move less than a Planck length in distance, and all straight-line motion through space must be in multiples of the Planck length.

We're not even close to measuring things this small, so direct proof may not be possible. There may be some theoretical implications of this that can be tested, however.

In case I'm wrong up there, I believe that this is at least correct: Our current understanding of physics breaks down at lengths smaller than the Planck length and times smaller than the Planck time. So even if space and time were more divisible (not discrete), the laws of physics as we know them seem not to operate in these smaller divisions, so envisioning the fabric of space-time in these discrete units is very practical.
 
Well, if I could walk though this Planck distance (and somehow someone would notice), then the world would know I travel faster than the speed of light. Makes sense.:biggrin:
 
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Our current understanding of physics breaks down at lengths smaller than the Planck length and times smaller than the Planck time. So even if space and time were more divisible (not discrete), the laws of physics as we know them seem not to operate in these smaller divisions, so envisioning the fabric of space-time in these discrete units is very practical.

What you say makes complete sense but still reminds me of the incompatibility of Newtonian laws at the quantum sizes. Perhaps there is a similarity here. But I do understand that until measurments can be made at this level, no one can say that our mathematical representaions of physics are incomplete or otherwise.
 

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