Is Today's Date a Special One for Foreigners?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the significance of today's date from various cultural perspectives, particularly focusing on the differences in date formatting between the US and other countries. Participants explore the implications of these formats, their historical roots, and personal preferences regarding date representation.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that today's date, 12/11/11, is unique and will not occur again for another hundred years, while others mention it will happen again next month for those using different date formats.
  • There is a sentiment expressed that the month/day/year format used in the US is confusing compared to the day/month/year format, which some find more natural.
  • Several participants question the historical reasons behind the US date format, with one referencing a battle at Stamford Bridge but not elaborating further.
  • Some participants advocate for the yyyy-mm-dd format, citing its advantages for sorting and clarity, while others express confusion over various other formats, including yy-dd-mm.
  • One participant mentions the practice of writing dates in a way that eliminates ambiguity, specifically using abbreviated month names, while another challenges the effectiveness of this approach.
  • There is a discussion about the use of Julian Dates, with one participant sharing their preference for this system and noting that it can upset others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the clarity and utility of various date formats, with no consensus reached on which format is superior or more logical. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to date representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical and cultural contexts for date formats, but these are not fully explored or agreed upon. The discussion includes personal anecdotes and preferences that may not apply universally.

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Or 12/11/11 for foreigners. Actually, I opened this thread for Russ who seems to need that extra push over the cliff. By the way, this won't happen again for another hundred years. Or next month if you're a foreigner.
 
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You anglosaxons are so lucky.

A whole quasi-palindromian month! :cry:
 
Out of curiousity, what is the reason for the day/month inversion for dates in the US?

dd-mm-yy seems ... really natural, mm-dd-yy is confusing!
 
Adyssa said:
Out of curiousity, what is the reason for the day/month inversion for dates in the US?

dd-mm-yy seems ... really natural, mm-dd-yy is confusing!

It goes all the way back to the battle at Stamford Bridge.
A story too long to tell.
 
Adyssa said:
Out of curiousity, what is the reason for the day/month inversion for dates in the US?

dd-mm-yy seems ... really natural, mm-dd-yy is confusing!
yyyy-mm-dd makes the most sense since when it sorts alphabetically, it also sorts chronologically.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
yyyy-mm-dd makes the most sense since when it sorts alphabetically, it also sorts chronologically.

I have no problem with yyyy-mm-dd nor dd-mm-yyyy, at times it is little bit confusing when it is dd-mm-yy or yy-mm-dd, what I was never able to understand was yy-dd-mm. This is something only WASPs could come with (and yes, I know it is a racist comment :-p).
 
What abut dydymymy??
 
It is how we speak. Occasionally we will say things like "the fourth of July," but that is for emphasis and affectation. Generally we express dates as "July 4th" or "July 4" for short. For example, The Declaration of Independence starts with "IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776" rather than "IN CONGRESS, on the fourth day of July in the year of our Lord 1776."
 
D H said:
"IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776"

It makes sense to write how you say it, but it doesn't make sense to then convert a word into a number. For the benefit of my erstwhile US colleagues, I used to write, e.g., 12NOV90, thus eliminating ambiguity.

What makes sense is to open your eggs at the big end, yyyy-mm-dd. Big-endian is the principle adopted by the ISO standard dating system, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601" .

(Edit: I changed the example date, due to later comments observing that it is not unambiguous for some years of the century.)
 
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cmb said:
I used to write 12NOV11, thus eliminating ambiguity

Eliminating ambiguity?
 
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Borek said:
Eliminating ambiguity?
There is no ambiguity regarding whether 11 identifies a day of the month versus a month if the rule is to name the month (in full or in abbreviated form) rather than to number it.
 
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D H said:
There is no ambiguity regarding whether 11 identifies a day of the month versus a month if the rule is to name the month (in full or in abbreviated form) rather than to number it.
So, is today 11NOV12, or 12NOV11?
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
So, is today 11NOV12, or 12NOV11?
Fair point. But when I used to use this format, it was the 80's/90's, and I believe not many calendar months have more than 80 days. I use ISO8601 now, anyway.

I occasionally still write my birth date in this format, and as I am less than 70 years old, there is little ambiguity unless people were to believe I am a lot more than 100 years old.
 
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The choices. The choices.
Pick a date style in MS Excel, and then an hour-minute second format for complete going mad-hatters.
 
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I use the Julian Date myself. It's just a count of days since a time long ago when nothing in particular happened. Today's date (UT) is 2,455,878.5.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/JulianDate.php

It does upset people for some reason.
 
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