Is \( u^p \) a root of \( f(x) \) over \( GF(p) \) if \( u \) is a root?

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The discussion centers on whether \( u^p \) is a root of \( f(x) \) over \( GF(p) \) if \( u \) is a root, exploring concepts related to field characteristics, polynomial behavior, and properties of finite fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if \( u \) is a root of \( f(x) \) over \( GF(p) \), then \( u^p \) should also be a root, citing \( x^p \equiv x \mod p \) as a basis for this claim.
  • Another participant counters that the equality \( f(u) = f(u^p) \) holds only for \( u \) in the prime subfield \( K \) and emphasizes the need to consider the property \( (a+b)^p = a^p + b^p \) in the field \( F \).
  • A third participant notes that the result \( (a+b)^p = a^p + b^p \) was established earlier in the chapter, suggesting a potential misplacement of the problem within the text.
  • Further, a participant explains that while \( a^p = a \) holds for elements of \( GF(p) \), this does not extend to indeterminates or elements outside \( GF(p) \), indicating that \( u^p \) may not equal \( u \) if \( u \) is not in \( GF(p) \).
  • This participant also discusses the generalization of the operation \( a \mapsto a^p \) in finite fields, noting specific behaviors for different extensions of \( GF(p) \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between \( u \) and \( u^p \) in the context of polynomials over \( GF(p) \). There is no consensus on whether \( u^p \) is a root of \( f(x) \) based on the initial claim.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the behavior of polynomials in different fields and the specific conditions under which certain properties hold, particularly regarding elements outside the prime subfield.

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If F is a field of characteristic p, with prime subfield K = GF(p) and u in F is a root of f(x) (over K), then u^p is a root of f(x).

Now, I know that x^p \equiv x (\text{mod } p), so isn't it immediately true that f(x^p)=f(x) (over K)? So, 0=f(u)=f(u^p).

I only ask because this type of problem (as I understand it) is much more elementary than the material that the text is covering. In the section from which this problem comes, the main results are (1) that if F = GF(q), then the irreducible factors of x^{q^{m}}-x over F are precisely the irreducible polynomials over F of degree dividing m, (2) the Mobius inversion formula, and (3) a formula for finding the number of monic irreducible polynomials of degree m over GF(q).

Please tell me if there is some critical misunderstanding that I am having.
 
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In general, we don't have f(u)=f(up) in your field F, but only for u in K, and you also need to use that (a+b)p=ap+bp for any a,b in F. Then it should be easy and fun to write out 0=f(u)p and see where that leads.
 
The result that (a+b)^p=a^p+b^p (which is all that is needed) was demonstrated (via exercise) much earlier in the chapter, though. Something is strange about the placement of this problem.
 
It is true that, for every element a of GF(p), we have a^p = a. As a consequence, it's also true that, for every integer n, we have n^p \equiv n \pmod p. Also as a consequence, for every polynomial with coefficients from GF(p) and element a of GF(p), we have f(a) = f(a^p). Similarly, for every polynomial with integer coefficients and any integer n, we have f(n^p) \equiv f(n) \pmod p.

(Yes, I mean = where I've written =, and \equiv where I've written \equiv)If x is an indeterminate over GF(p), then it's not true that x^p = x. Consequently, if t is an indeterminate over Z, it's not true that t^p \equiv t \pmod p.

(While x and x^p both determine the same function on GF(p), they are different polynomials. And, e.g., they give different functions on GF(p^2))If u \notin \text{GF}(p), then we have no reason to expect u^p = u. If u is not an integer, we have no reason to expect u^p \equiv p \pmod p (if that equation even makes sense).For a finite field \text{GF}(p^e), the operation a \mapsto a^p is actually generalization of the idea of conjugation. For the special case of e = 2, you even have that (a^p)^p = a. (for larger e, you have to iterate e times rather than just twice)
 

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