Is Understanding Calculus Derivatives Really That Difficult?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of understanding calculus derivatives, particularly the transition to the concept of differentials and their applications in integration and differentiation. Participants explore various aspects of calculus, including notation, conceptual understanding, and the experiences of educators in teaching these topics.

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  • Some participants question the correctness of specific answers related to integrals and derivatives, indicating uncertainty in the solutions presented.
  • There is a discussion about the notation of differentials, with some participants expressing confusion over the interpretation of \(du/dx\) as a fraction versus a notation.
  • A participant suggests that the transition to understanding differentials may not be difficult for students, but emphasizes that truly understanding the concept requires grappling with limits, which they consider the most challenging aspect of calculus.
  • Another participant raises a side question about the validity of using \(du = 3\sin(3x)dx\) and the implications of viewing differentials as fractions.
  • Some participants advocate for keeping options open in problem-solving and not getting stuck in a single approach.

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Participants express differing views on the difficulty of understanding calculus derivatives and differentials. While some believe that the notation and application can be straightforward, others highlight significant challenges, particularly related to limits and conceptual understanding. No consensus is reached on the overall difficulty of the subject.

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Participants note that the clarity of notation is important for communication, but there is no agreement on the best approach to teaching or understanding differentials. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with calculus concepts among participants.

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This discussion may be useful for students encountering calculus for the first time, educators seeking insights into teaching challenges, and anyone interested in the conceptual foundations of calculus derivatives and differentials.

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Well, let's see...let:

$$u=1-\cos(3x)\implies du=3\sin(3x)\,dx$$

So, the integral becomes:

$$I=\frac{1}{3}\int_0^1 u\,du=\frac{1}{6}(1^2-0^2)=\frac{1}{6}\quad\checkmark$$
 
ertagon2 said:
Is the answer to this question correct?
Or, $(1-\cos(3x))\cdot\sin(3x) = \sin(3x) - \cos(3x)\cdot\sin(3x) = \sin(3x) - \dfrac{1}{2}\sin(6x)$

Keep all your options open. Don't get stuck in just one way of thinking.
 
MarkFL said:
Well, let's see...let:

$$u=1-\cos(3x)\implies du=3\sin(3x)\,dx$$

So, the integral becomes:

$$I=\frac{1}{3}\int_0^1 u\,du=\frac{1}{6}(1^2-0^2)=\frac{1}{6}\quad\checkmark$$

Side question how is this [M]du=3sin(3x)dx[/M]allowed ? I thought that [M]du/dx is[/M] more of a notation than a fraction.
 
ertagon2 said:
Side question how is this [M]du=3sin(3x)dx[/M]allowed ? I thought that [M]du/dx is[/M] more of a notation than a fraction.
You can think that if you like. However, it makes little or no difference whether we see the fraction version or the differential version - so long as the context is clear. The goal is to be clear and comprehensible. Notation is meant to express clearly what is wanted and to assist the communicator, not to become excessively cumbersome. Keep in mind, though that it may not be a good idea to invent new notation. There is already way too much. :-)
 
Perhaps we can get some professional educators on here to give us a clue how tricky this is.

Q for Professional Educator: When a beginning calculus student first encounters the differential concept, is this usually an easy transition?

Learning the Derivative
If y = 2x^2, then dy/dx = 4x. I see, so dy/dx means the derivative of a function y, with respect to x.

Learning Linearization or Linear Differentials
If y = 2x^2, then dy = 4x*dx. Wait, can you do that?
 
tkhunny said:
Perhaps we can get some professional educators on here to give us a clue how tricky this is.

Q for Professional Educator: When a beginning calculus student first encounters the differential concept, is this usually an easy transition?

Learning the Derivative
If y = 2x^2, then dy/dx = 4x. I see, so dy/dx means the derivative of a function y, with respect to x.

Learning Linearization or Linear Differentials
If y = 2x^2, then dy = 4x*dx. Wait, can you do that?

I was a professional educator. In my experience, the differential is not terribly difficult to use, primarily because it's straight-forward to remember. The identity $dy=\dfrac{dy}{dx} \, dx$ is easy because it LOOKS like you're canceling, even though you're not. To really UNDERSTAND requires more work, and that's not straight-forward. You have to understand limits, which is easily the most difficult concept in all of calculus. That's my opinion.
 

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