Isn't M-theory and the multiverse idea a bit discouraging?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of M-theory and the multiverse concept, particularly regarding the existence of advanced civilizations in other universes and the nature of time in M-theory. Participants explore the philosophical and theoretical aspects of these ideas, questioning the feasibility of inter-universal travel and the potential for extraterrestrial observation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that the multiverse idea may be discouraging, suggesting that if there are infinite advanced civilizations, one should have reached our universe by now, questioning the possibility of inter-universal travel.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that advanced civilizations must have found us, comparing it to the lack of contact between advanced civilizations in the visible universe.
  • There is confusion about whether the M-theory bulk has "time," with one participant questioning how to discuss events like brane collisions if time is merely a geometric feature of our universe.
  • A later reply clarifies that M-theory describes branes in an 11-dimensional Minkowski space, suggesting that the bulk does contain a time coordinate.
  • One participant references Hawking's perspective on extraterrestrial observers, proposing that advanced civilizations might observe us without our awareness, likening it to ants being unaware of human observation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of advanced civilizations in the multiverse and the nature of time in M-theory. There is no consensus on whether advanced civilizations should have contacted us or the interpretation of time within M-theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the concepts discussed, including the assumptions about the existence and behavior of civilizations in the multiverse and the interpretation of time in M-theory, which remain unresolved.

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I have been reading about the multiverse idea recently and when I came to think of it , as much as I find it extremely interesting, isn't it a bit discouraging as well? I mean, if there was "time" before the big bang and if there are infinite number of other "bubble" universes in the "11th dimension" colliding with each other to form "other" universes, There should be almost infinite number of "extremely extremely advanced" civilizations in technology in the other universes, who already understood this idea and one of them should have reached "our universe" somehow to discover. I mean I know that it depends on when these "bubble universes" were there in the first place, but I am assuming they were always there? So might that not imply that traveling between universes is almost impossible? Ok, I am a bit confused and I need your help :)
 
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I don't think "there should be many advanced civilizations in the braneworld multiverse, surely one of them would have found us by now?" follows any more than "there should be many advanced civilizations in the visible universe, surely one of them would have found us by now?". Especially because our knowledge of physics allows for travel between planets whereas traditional M-theory, as I understand, says that nothing travels between branes except sometimes gravitons.

(By the way, while we're on the subject, something that still confuses me rather badly-- does the M-theory bulk actually have "time"? That is to say, we talk about branes "colliding and then separating" from one another, or gravitons "leaking off" of a brane-- this kind of language seems to imply events that follow from other events, or "time". But surely under M-theory what we call "time" is just a geometric feature of the manifold of our universe, and in turn a feature of the brane[s?] that our strings are stuck to. How does it make sense to talk about time, or use language implying time, when discussing the interactions of branes floating out there in the bulk?)
 
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(By the way, while we're on the subject, something that still confuses me rather badly-- does the M-theory bulk actually have "time"? That is to say, we talk about branes "colliding and then separating" from one another, or gravitons "leaking off" of a brane-- this kind of language seems to imply events that follow from other events, or "time". But surely under M-theory what we call "time" is just a geometric feature of the manifold of our universe, and in turn a feature of the brane[s?] that our strings are stuck to. How does it make sense to talk about time, or use language implying time, when discussing the interactions of branes floating out there in the bulk?)

At low energies, M Theory is described by branes embedded into a 11 dimensional Minkowski space. A p-dimensional brane traces out a p+1-dimensional worldvolume during its time evolution, just as a point particle traces out a one-dimensional worldline. It is therefore the bulk already that contains the time coordinate.
 
I thinkit was Hawking who pointed out we would likely be overrun with extrterrestrial observers if large numbers of advanced civilizations existed...on the other hand it always seemed to me that we might well be unaware that we are being observed...

Do ants know we watch them? I doubt any solider ants race back with the message "There was a scientist out there just now watching us." Seems likely advanced civilization extraterrestrials could easily watch us and we'd never be aware...
 

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