Isobaric/isochoric (?) heating of an ideal gas

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The discussion revolves around the heating of an ideal gas with a specified heat capacity at constant volume. Participants are tasked with calculating the changes in enthalpy and internal energy as the gas is heated from 273.15 K to 373.15 K, while considering the nature of the process (isochoric) and the implications of the equations involved.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between internal energy and enthalpy, questioning whether to include the PΔV term in the enthalpy equation for an isochoric process. There is discussion about the implications of constant volume on pressure changes and the use of the ideal gas law to derive necessary values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the isochoric process, suggesting that PΔV equals zero due to no volume change. Others have proposed using the ideal gas law to calculate pressure changes, leading to further exploration of the enthalpy equation. While there is no explicit consensus, productive dialogue is occurring regarding the definitions and relationships between the thermodynamic quantities involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of initial or final pressure and volume values, which complicates the calculations. The discussion also highlights the need to clarify the assumptions regarding the heating process and the definitions of the thermodynamic properties involved.

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Homework Statement


Consider an ideal gas with C_V=6.76 \frac{cal}{mol \cdot K}. Calculate \Delta H and \Delta U when ten moles of this gas are heated from 273.15 K to 373.15 K.

Homework Equations


\Delta H = \Delta U + P\Delta V
Q=n C_V \Delta T

The Attempt at a Solution


As I'm given the heat capacity at constant volume I'm assuming this is an isochoric process. That means W=0. Therefore, \Delta U=Q.
\Delta U=Q= (10 \ mol) \left(6.76 \frac{cal}{mol \cdot K} \right) (100 \ K) = 6760 \ cal
Now, for the change in enthalpy we have:
\Delta H = 6760 \ cal + P\Delta V
This is where I'm having trouble. Should I cancel the second term in the above equation? And so have: \Delta H=\Delta U. But, if the gas is heated at constant volume pressure should increase, that means I should consider the PV term in the last equation. I wasn't provided with initial or final values for pressure and volume, so there's not enough information to use PV=nRT. What should I do?
 
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But the last term isn't V, it's ΔV, so no matter what P is, PΔV for an isochoric process will be 0, because volume doesn't change (ΔV=0). I feel that this is a safe assumption, since you were given CV, which is the specific heat at constant volume.
 
Could the last term be Δ(PV)? I just realized I can get (PV)1 and (PV)2 from PV=nRT with the data I was provided.
 
Sorry to double post but I think I figured it out. The standard definition of the change of enthalpy: ΔH = ΔU + Δ(PV). The case ΔH = ΔU + PΔV is only for isobaric processes. The process here is isochoric, so we have no work done by the system, but we had a change in pressure. Therefore, ΔH = Q + PΔV + VΔP. I can cancel out the PΔV term, and I can get VΔP with the ideal gas law. So:
\Delta H = 6790 \ cal + (10 \ mol) \left(1.987 \ \frac{cal}{mol \cdot K} \right)(100 \ K) = 8777 \ cal

Is it right this time?
 
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Nothing is said about the process of heating. The internal energy of n mol of an ideal gas is U=nCvT, so
##\Delta U=nCv \Delta T##
for any process. H is defined as H=U+PV. Substituting P=nRT/V from the ideal gaw law, H=nT(Cv+R) =nTCp.
##\Delta H=nCp \Delta T##.
Your method and result are correct.

ehild
 
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Thank you!
 

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