Isomorphic group needed for cayley table

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The discussion revolves around finding an isomorphic group for a given group defined by a Cayley table representing rotations and reflections. The group consists of eight elements, and participants are exploring properties of isomorphic groups in relation to this specific group.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the identity element of the group and its properties, including self-inverses. There is mention of potential isomorphisms with groups defined by multiplication under modulo operations, specifically questioning the correct modulus. Some participants express uncertainty about identifying the correct isomorphic group and its characteristics.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's assumptions. There is a focus on identifying the identity element and understanding the properties of the group in question. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of isomorphic groups, but no consensus has been reached on the specific group that is isomorphic.

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Participants note the constraints of their current understanding of cyclic groups and the specific properties of the group they are analyzing. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify definitions and properties related to isomorphic groups.

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Homework Statement


I need to find an isomorphic group for the following group
F A B C D E F G H < these are the rotations/reflections, f is the operation followed by
A G D E B C H A F
B D G F A H C B E
C E F G H A B C D
D B A H G F E D C
E C H A F G D E B
F H C B E D G F A
G A B C D E F G H
H F E D C B A H G
^
These are again the rotations/reflections

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Someone mentioned that there could be an isomorphism with multiplication under modulo 17 but with my limited knowledge in isomorphic groups I was unable to re-arrange the group as such. Any help would be highly appreciated
 
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(I bet they meant 16, not 17)

It's a group with 8 elements, right? There aren't very many of those. Have you at least found which one is the identity?
 
I haven't found a numerical Identity. I've just been looking at square values for numbers under 17 to see if there's a relationship but I haven't found anything
 
Nono, I mean what is the identity element of your group? We can learn a lot by actually working in your group and determining a few simple properties.
 
G is the indentity and they all have self inverses
 
Right. And since there is only one group with that property, your group has to be isomorphic to it!

Do you know what group that is? Hint:
it's abelian


The squares modulo 17 don't have this property: that group is a cyclic group. The units modulo 16 don't either (mistake on my part: I was thinking of the fact that the units modulo 8 have that property that they're all self-inverses).
 
Is there an isomorphic abelian group with 8 elements though. Thats what I need to find. I'm also unaccustomed to cyclic groups, our teacher made us skip it.
 

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