Isothermal process involving changes in Volume and Pressure

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The discussion revolves around an isothermal process involving changes in volume and pressure, particularly in the context of a diver's lungs as they ascend from a depth of 21 meters. Participants are examining the implications of pressure changes on lung volume during this ascent.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate the final volume of air in the diver's lungs using both gauge and absolute pressures. Questions are raised regarding the correct pressure values to use and the impact of these values on the volume calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations of pressure values. Some participants suggest using absolute pressure, while others question the initial assumptions about the pressure at depth. No consensus has been reached, but there is productive dialogue regarding the implications of different pressure considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in pressure calculations based on depth, with some asserting that the pressure at 21 meters should be around 3.1 bar instead of 2.1 bar. This highlights the need for clarity on how pressure is defined in this context.

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Homework Statement
Equipped diver is at the depth of 21 m, where the pressure is 2,1 bar. The diver breathes air that is pressurized to 2 bar. What would the final lung capacity be if the diver held their breath while ascending to the surface? diver lung capacity is 5.1 L and temperature is constant
Relevant Equations
p1v1=p2v2
P1 = 2 bar V1 = 5.1L P2= 1bar

V2 = V1P1/P2 = 10,2L, so the volume of gas would double?

or should the absolute pressure be taken into account

P1= 2bar (3bar absolute), V1=5.1L P2= 1 bar

V2 = 15,3L?
 
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dbag123 said:
Homework Statement:: Equipped diver is at the depth of 21 m, where the pressure is 2,1 bar.
This is incorrect. Each 10 m adds roughly one bar. Since pressure at the surface is 1 bar, pressure at 21 m would be around 3.1 bar, not 2.1.
 
but what about the solution? air in lungs 2bar. diver swims to surface where the pressure is 1bar, the lungs would expand from 5.1 to 10.2L. is it wrong?
 
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dbag123 said:
or should the absolute pressure be taken into account
dbag123 said:
but what about the solution? air in lungs 2bar. diver swims to surface where the pressure is 1bar, the lungs would expand from 5.1 to 10.2L. is it wrong?
Can you work the problem using absolute pressures? What do you get for a solution then?
 
berkeman said:
Can you work the problem using absolute pressures? What do you get for a solution then?
P1= 2 bar (3 bar absolute), V1=5.1L P2= 1 bar

V2 = 15,3L

the problem i am having is if the pressure of air in lungs (2 bar) is important or the pressure outside of the diver 3,1 bar(abs)
 
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