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The discussion revolves around the differentiation and integration of functions involving inverse sine and rational expressions. Participants explore the derivative of the function sin-1((X+a)/b) and evaluate integrals of the form ∫ X / √(9-4x-x²) and ∫ X² / √(9-4x-x²). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the derivative of sin-1((X+a)/b) as 1 / √[-X²/b² - 2aX/b² - a² + b²/b²].
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the parameters a and b to relate to the expression 9-4x-x².
  • A later reply provides an alternative expression for the derivative, dy/dx = 1/√[b² - x² - 2xa - a²].
  • Participants discuss the integral ℐ = ∫ xdx/√(9-4x-x²) and propose a substitution u = 4x + x², leading to a new form of the integral.
  • Corrections are made regarding the values of a and b, with one participant stating that 2a = 4 implies a = 2 and b² - a² = 9 leads to b = √5, while another later corrects this to b = √13.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the values of a and b, as there are conflicting corrections regarding the calculations. Multiple competing views remain regarding the evaluation of the integrals and the differentiation process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the parameters a and b, as well as the steps taken in the integration process. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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The question is something like this, find the:
d/dx of sin-1 (X+a) /b.
then evaluate,
intergarte of X / (9-4x-x2) 1/2
&
intergarte of X2 / (9-4x-x2) 1/2


What i get for the first part is,
d/dx of sin-1 (X+a) /b = 1 / ( -X2/b2-2aX/b2-a2+b2/b2)1/2


Then I'm stuck. xD
Sorry for the confusing equation.
 
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hi lpheng! welcome to pf! :smile:

fiddle about with the a and b in your first answer until you get 9-4x-x2 :wink:
 
lpheng said:
The question is something like this, find the:
d/dx of sin-1 (X+a) /b.
then evaluate,
intergarte of X / (9-4x-x2) 1/2
&
intergarte of X2 / (9-4x-x2) 1/2What i get for the first part is,
d/dx of sin-1 (X+a) /b = 1 / ( -X2/b2-2aX/b2-a2+b2/b2)1/2Then I'm stuck. xD
Sorry for the confusing equation.

With y=sin⁻¹[(x+a)/b], dy/dx= 1/√[b² - x² - 2xa - a²]

Let ℐ≡ ∫ xdx/√(9-4x-x²). Set u:= 4x+x²⇒½du-2dx=xdx. Whence ℐ= ∫ ½du/√(9-u) - 2sin⁻¹[(x+2)/√5] + constant. And so on...

NOTE1: 2a=4 ⇒ a=2 and b² - a²=9 ⇒ b=√5.

NOTE2: Given, ½du-2dx=xdx multiply through by `x` to get ½xdu-2xdx=x²dx.
 
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matphysik said:
Let ℐ≡ ∫ xdx/√(9-4x-x²). Set u:= 4x+x²⇒½du-2dx=xdx. Whence ℐ= ∫ ½du/√(9-u) - 2sin⁻¹[(x+2)/√5] + constant. And so on...

NOTE1: 2a=4 ⇒ a=2 and b² - a²=9 ⇒ b=√5.

Correction: b² - a²=9 ⇒ b=√13. So that,

ℐ= ∫ ½du/√(9-u) - 2sin⁻¹[(x+2)/√13] + constant.
 

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