It seems that something is wrong either with this proof or my understanding.

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The discussion revolves around the conditions for tangency between a line and a parabola, specifically examining the proof presented in a textbook. Participants explore the implications of the discriminant of a quadratic equation derived from the intersection of a line and a parabola.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the proof regarding the condition of tangency, suggesting that the derived condition \( a = mc \) does not hold for the line \( y = 2 \), which intersects the parabola at one point.
  • Another participant points out that the equation derived from the intersection is quadratic only if \( m \neq 0 \), indicating that if \( m = 0 \), the line is linear and will always intersect the parabola at one point regardless of the discriminant.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous explanation and expresses gratitude, suggesting that the issue has been resolved.
  • Additionally, it is noted that when \( m \) is not zero, the condition of touching the parabola at one point corresponds to being tangent, which aligns with the discriminant being zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there is a disagreement regarding the applicability of the condition \( a = mc \) for lines with different slopes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the discriminant in cases where \( m = 0 \).

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the value of \( m \) in determining the nature of the intersection between the line and the parabola, as well as the implications of the discriminant in different scenarios.

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Here i am asking all the things about parabola. I think something is wrong with proof where we prove condition of tangency.
It is done shown(in my book)
y^2=4ax //equation of general parabola
let us assume that line y=mx+c is passing through parabola.
points where it will cut parabola.
(mx+c)^2=4ax
solving this equation.
(mx)^2+x(2mc-4a)+c^2=0
line will touch parabola at one point if of the roots of this equation are equal.
It means it’s discriminant is zero.
(2mc-4a)^2-4m^2c^2=0
=> 16a^2=16amc
a=0; not possible because in that case it will not remain a parabola it became a line y=0.
a=mc
this is the require condition for the line to cut the parabola at one point.
So let's take an example.
y=2. this line cuts the parabola y^2-4x=0 at one point. as we can see on the graphs
but does it obey the equation proved previously.
a=0/2. NO. it is not obeying that equation.
WHY??
the condition is for line to cut the parabola at one point.y=2 is also a line that cuts parabola at one point but not obeying the condition.
 
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vkash said:
(mx)^2+x(2mc-4a)+c^2=0

To conclude that this equation is a quadratic you need to know that m≠0. If m=0, then this is just a linear equation and will have exactly one solution regardless of what the discriminant is. Since your given line does in fact have m=0, the discriminant need not be zero, and so a is not necessarily equal to mc.
 
Citan Uzuki said:
To conclude that this equation is a quadratic you need to know that m≠0. If m=0, then this is just a linear equation and will have exactly one solution regardless of what the discriminant is. Since your given line does in fact have m=0, the discriminant need not be zero, and so a is not necessarily equal to mc.
great!
problem solved.
million thanks for answering.
 
By the way, when m is not 0, "touching the parabola at one point" means "tangent to the parabola" which is what the discriminant being 0 gives.
 

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