Ivuna meteorite from edge of solar system to Tanzania?

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The discussion centers around the Ivuna meteorite, its origins, and its significance as a rare CI-type meteorite that fell in Tanzania in 1938. Participants explore its potential connection to the asteroid Ryugu and the implications of its composition, while also discussing the market for meteorite specimens.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Ivuna meteorite may have originated from the outskirts of the solar system, similar to the asteroid Ryugu.
  • There are claims that only four other known CI-type meteorites exist on Earth, with specific examples provided.
  • Participants discuss the high market value of Ivuna meteorite specimens, with one example cited at $17,900 for a 4.552g piece.
  • Concerns are raised about the authenticity of meteorite descriptions and the need for spectral analysis before purchasing high-value specimens.
  • Some participants express interest in meteorite collection, while others humorously caution against it due to the potential financial burden.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views regarding the origins and classification of the Ivuna meteorite, as well as differing opinions on the market for meteorites. No consensus is reached on the authenticity of specific specimens or the implications of their pricing.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various sources and prices for meteorite specimens, indicating a complex market with varying levels of trust in descriptions and authenticity. There is also a lack of consensus on the relationship between Ivuna and other meteorites from Tanzania.

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Individuals interested in meteorites, collectors, and those studying planetary science or the origins of solar system materials may find this discussion relevant.

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Scientists find the source of one of the rarest meteorites to fall on Earth​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...arest-meteorites-to-fall-on-earth/ar-AA13ejQe

The Ivuna meteorite landed in Tanzania in December 1938 and was subsequently split into a number of samples – one of which is housed at the Natural History Museum (NHM) in London.

Based on an analysis of an asteroid known as Ryugu, experts believe the Ivuna rock may have originated from the edge of the solar system.

Professor Russell said that apart from Ivuna, only four other known CI-type meteorites exist on Earth: Orgueil and Alais, which both fell in France, Tonk which fell in India, and the tiny Revelstoke meteorite which fell in Canada.

Ryugu belongs to a class of asteroids called carbonaceous, or C-type, asteroids.

C-type asteroids are rich in water, carbon and organic compounds from when the solar system formed.

The researchers said both Ryugu and the CI chondrites originate from the same region of space – the outskirts of the solar system – and cannot rule out the possibility that they could even share the same parent body.

Professor Russell said: ‘By comparing the forms of iron in both the asteroids and meteorites, we learned that Ryugu is a remarkably close match to CI chondrites.’

Terrestrial modification of the Ivuna meteorite and a reassessment of the chemical composition of the CI type specimen​

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016703719306271

The Buseck Center for Meteorite Studies at Arizona State University has a piece of Ivanu.
https://meteorites.asu.edu/collection/specimen-catalogue

Ivuna856Mbeya. TanzaniaChondriteCI11.4
 
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pinball1970 said:
Perhaps @DennisN has a sample?
Maybe you are thinking of @davenn and not me?
I'm not collecting meteorites. Yet. Don't give me any funny ideas, I could end up doing that too, who knows. :)

If I start to collect meteorites, I will let you know.
And if I do, I think it will be a somewhat rocky start for me.
 
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DennisN said:
Maybe you are thinking of @davenn and not me?
I'm not collecting meteorites. Yet. Don't give me any funny ideas, I could end up doing that too, who knows. :)

If I start to collect meteorites, I will let you know.
And if I do, I think it will be a somewhat rocky start for me.
Yes I realized. I'm an Idiot sorry.
 
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pinball1970 said:
I'm an Idiot sorry.
No worries! :smile:
 
pinball1970 said:
Perhaps @DennisN has a sample?

Maybe you are thinking of @davenn and not me?
DennisN said:
I'm not collecting meteorites. Yet. Don't give me any funny ideas, I could end up doing that too, who knows. :)

hey guys... awww go on Dennis, start collecting, LOL

No, definitely don't have a piece of that. I suspect even a gram of it would cost $1000's

I did just buy another meteorite piece this morning. Junction City, Georgia, USA
It's a new observed fall a couple of weeks ago

1.27g Jnct City.jpg


That was US$280 - AU$476 ... the US$ to AU$ exchange rate sux at the moment, almost double the price

there was a 12.8g piece available for US$2500 ... too rich for me hahahaha
 
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davenn said:
I suspect even a gram of it would cost $1000's
When I was searching for information on the Ivuna meteorite, I found several places that were selling pieces, each on the order of 1 gram. Apparently, there were many pieces.

Someone is selling a 4.552g specimen for $17,900. The description is: IVUNA Type of the Meteorite: CI1, Carbonaceous chondrite (Ivuna groupe, type 1), regolith breccia. Country: Tanzania. Date of find: 1938, december 16 (17h30). Tkw: 704g. Story of the Ivuna meteorite, Tanzania. 1938, december 16 (17h30), two or three stones fell at Ivuna, near the W shore of Rukwa but one of 704g stone was recovered. Ivuna is the classic standart of the "I" designation of Carbonaceous chondrites ( Orgueil is another example of the "I" designation ).
http://www.meteorites.tv/59-ivuna-meteorite

I think the description (IVUNA Type) is a bit dodgy. I'd want a spectral analysis for committing to a purchase for that kind of price. And I would NOT pay that kind of money.

There are more meteorites from Tanzania, but not necessarily related to Ivuna.
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=12063
 
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Astronuc said:
Someone is selling a 4.552g specimen for $17,900.

crazy huh
 
stone broke

Adjective

1. What you'll end up as if you buy too many meteorites.
 
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