K^n as a K[T]-module - Exercise 1.2.8 (a) - Berrick and Keating (B&K)

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The discussion revolves around Exercise 1.2.8 (a) from "An Introduction to Rings and Modules With K-Theory in View" by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating, focusing on the structure of $$K^n$$ as a $$K[T]$$-module. Participants explore the definitions and properties of subspaces and submodules in this context, particularly examining the conditions under which a subspace $$U$$ of $$K^n$$ can be considered a submodule of the module $$M$$.

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  • Some participants clarify the definitions of subspace and submodule, noting that both require closure under addition and scalar multiplication, but the latter specifically involves the action of polynomials from $$K[T]$$.
  • One participant proposes that if $$U$$ is a submodule $$L$$ of $$M$$, then the condition $$AU \subseteq U$$ must hold.
  • Another participant suggests that if $$AU \subseteq U$$, then it follows that $$U$$ is a submodule of $$M$$, as it would satisfy the necessary conditions for closure under the action of $$K[T]$$.
  • A participant presents a specific example using matrices and a simple subspace to illustrate the concepts, although the example is not fully elaborated.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of subspaces and submodules, but there is some contention regarding the implications of the conditions $$AU \subseteq U$$ and the requirements for $$U$$ to be a submodule of $$M$$. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different approaches and examples.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the application of the definitions in specific cases, particularly regarding the implications of matrix multiplication and the structure of the module. The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of the matrices and the field $$K$$.

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I am reading An Introduction to Rings and Modules With K-Theory in View by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating (B&K).

I need help with Exercise 1.2.8 (a) (Chapter 1: Basics, page 3o) concerning $$K^n$$ as a $$K[T]$$-module ... ...

First, so that MHB readers will understand the relevant notation for the construction of $$K^n$$ as a $$K[T]$$-module, I am presenting the relevant text from B&K as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2997
Exercise 1.2.8 (a) (page 30) reads as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2998
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2999So we are given that:

$$A$$ is an $$n \times n$$ matrix over a field $$K$$

$$U$$ is a subspace of $$K^n$$

$$M$$ is the $$K[T]$$-module obtained from the vector space of column vectors $$K^n$$

So we regard $$M=K^n$$ as a right module over $$K[T]$$

Addition in $$M=K^n$$ is normal column vector addition $$x+y$$ where $$x, y \in K^n$$ making $$M=K^n$$ an abelian group as required

Given an $$n \times n$$ matrix $$A$$ over $$K$$, a right action of $$f(T) \in K[T]$$ on $$M$$ is defined as follows:

$$xf(T) = xf_0 + Axf_1 + ... \ ... A^rxf_r
$$
where

$$f(T) = f_0 + f_1T + ... \ ... f_rT^r$$

We are required to show that:

------------------------------------------------

... a subspace $$U$$ of $$K^n$$ is a submodule $$L$$ of $$M$$ ...

if and only if

... $$AU \subseteq U$$

------------------------------------------------

Just reviewing the definitions of subspace and submodule in this context ...$$U$$ is a subspace of $$K^n$$ if $$U$$ is a subset of $$K^n$$ such that:

(1) $$0 \in U$$

(2) $$x, y \in U \Longrightarrow x + y \in U $$

(3) $$f(T) \in k[T] , x \in U \Longrightarrow x f(T) \in U $$$$L$$ is a submodule of $$M = K^n$$ if $$L$$ is a subset of $$K^n$$ such that:

(1) $$0 \in L$$

(2) $$x,y \in L \Longrightarrow x + y \in L
$$

(3) $$x \in L$$ and $$f(T) \in K[T] \Longrightarrow xf(T) \in L$$

===========================

Now assume that the subspace $$U$$ is a submodule $$L$$ of $$M$$

Then we have that $$xf(T) \in U$$ for all $$x \in L, f(T) \in K[T] $$

We need to show $$AU \subseteq U$$

So let $$x \in AU$$

Therefore

$$x = AU = \begin{pmatrix} a_{11} & a_{12} & a_{13} & ... & ... & a_{1n} \\ a_{21} & a_{22} & a_{23} & ... & ... & a_{2n} \\ a_{31} & a_{32} & a_{33} & ... & ... & a_{3n} \\... & ... & ... & ... & ... \\ ... & ... & ... & ... & ... \\ a_{n1} & a_{n2} & a_{n3} & ... & ... & a_{nn}\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1 \\ u_2 \\u_3 \\.\\ .\\ u_s \\ 0 \\ 0 \\ .\\ . \\0 \end{pmatrix}$$ for some integer $$s$$ where $$s = dim(U)$$

Therefore

$$x = AU = \begin{pmatrix} a_{11}u_1 + a_{12}u_2 + a_{13}u_3 + ... \ ... + a_{1s}u_s + 0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \\ a_{21}u_1 + a_{22}u_2 + a_{23}u_3 + ... \ ... + a_{2s}u_s + 0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \\ a_{31}u_1 + a_{32}u_2 + a_{33}u_3 + ... ... + a_{3s}u_s + 0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \\... \ ... \\ ... \ ... \\ a_{n1}u_1 + a_{n2}u_2 + a_{n3}u_3 + ... ... + a_{ns}u_s +0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \end{pmatrix}$$

Thus $$x = AU \in U$$ if $$a_{ij}u_j \in U$$ since the terms of the matrix $$AU$$ are sums of such elements and a subspace will contain these sums if the individual summands belong to it ...

But we are given that $$U$$ is also a submodule L

Thus $$xf(T) \in L$$ ...

... ... I was going to try to use this to show that each term $$a_{ij}u_j \in U$$ ... ... BUT ... feel I have lost my way ...

Can someone please help ... ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
I am reading An Introduction to Rings and Modules With K-Theory in View by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating (B&K).

I need help with Exercise 1.2.8 (a) (Chapter 1: Basics, page 3o) concerning $$K^n$$ as a $$K[T]$$-module ... ...

First, so that MHB readers will understand the relevant notation for the construction of $$K^n$$ as a $$K[T]$$-module, I am presenting the relevant text from B&K as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2997
Exercise 1.2.8 (a) (page 30) reads as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2998
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2999So we are given that:

$$A$$ is an $$n \times n$$ matrix over a field $$K$$

$$U$$ is a subspace of $$K^n$$

$$M$$ is the $$K[T]$$-module obtained from the vector space of column vectors $$K^n$$

So we regard $$M=K^n$$ as a right module over $$K[T]$$

Addition in $$M=K^n$$ is normal column vector addition $$x+y$$ where $$x, y \in K^n$$ making $$M=K^n$$ an abelian group as required

Given an $$n \times n$$ matrix $$A$$ over $$K$$, a right action of $$f(T) \in K[T]$$ on $$M$$ is defined as follows:

$$xf(T) = xf_0 + Axf_1 + ... \ ... A^rxf_r
$$
where

$$f(T) = f_0 + f_1T + ... \ ... f_rT^r$$

We are required to show that:

------------------------------------------------

... a subspace $$U$$ of $$K^n$$ is a submodule $$L$$ of $$M$$ ...

if and only if

... $$AU \subseteq U$$

------------------------------------------------

Just reviewing the definitions of subspace and submodule in this context ...$$U$$ is a subspace of $$K^n$$ if $$U$$ is a subset of $$K^n$$ such that:

(1) $$0 \in U$$

(2) $$x, y \in U \Longrightarrow x + y \in U $$

(3) $$f(T) \in k[T] , x \in U \Longrightarrow x f(T) \in U $$$$L$$ is a submodule of $$M = K^n$$ if $$L$$ is a subset of $$K^n$$ such that:

(1) $$0 \in L$$

(2) $$x,y \in L \Longrightarrow x + y \in L
$$

(3) $$x \in L$$ and $$f(T) \in K[T] \Longrightarrow xf(T) \in L$$

===========================

Now assume that the subspace $$U$$ is a submodule $$L$$ of $$M$$

Then we have that $$xf(T) \in U$$ for all $$x \in L, f(T) \in K[T] $$

We need to show $$AU \subseteq U$$

So let $$x \in AU$$

Therefore

$$x = AU = \begin{pmatrix} a_{11} & a_{12} & a_{13} & ... & ... & a_{1n} \\ a_{21} & a_{22} & a_{23} & ... & ... & a_{2n} \\ a_{31} & a_{32} & a_{33} & ... & ... & a_{3n} \\... & ... & ... & ... & ... \\ ... & ... & ... & ... & ... \\ a_{n1} & a_{n2} & a_{n3} & ... & ... & a_{nn}\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1 \\ u_2 \\u_3 \\.\\ .\\ u_s \\ 0 \\ 0 \\ .\\ . \\0 \end{pmatrix}$$ for some integer $$s$$ where $$s = dim(U)$$

Therefore

$$x = AU = \begin{pmatrix} a_{11}u_1 + a_{12}u_2 + a_{13}u_3 + ... \ ... + a_{1s}u_s + 0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \\ a_{21}u_1 + a_{22}u_2 + a_{23}u_3 + ... \ ... + a_{2s}u_s + 0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \\ a_{31}u_1 + a_{32}u_2 + a_{33}u_3 + ... ... + a_{3s}u_s + 0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \\... \ ... \\ ... \ ... \\ a_{n1}u_1 + a_{n2}u_2 + a_{n3}u_3 + ... ... + a_{ns}u_s +0 +0 ... \ ... +0 \end{pmatrix}$$

Thus $$x = AU \in U$$ if $$a_{ij}u_j \in U$$ since the terms of the matrix $$AU$$ are sums of such elements and a subspace will contain these sums if the individual summands belong to it ...

But we are given that $$U$$ is also a submodule L

Thus $$xf(T) \in L$$ ...

... ... I was going to try to use this to show that each term $$a_{ij}u_j \in U$$ ... ... BUT ... feel I have lost my way ...

Can someone please help ... ...

Peter

Hi Peter,

I noticed that you wrote the same definition for a submodule of $K^n$ as you did for a subspace of $K^n$, but I know what you mean. Let's start from the beginning.

First, assume that $U$ is a submodule $L$ of $M$. Then for all $u\in U$, $uT\in U$, that is, $Au\in U$. Therefore, $AU\subset U$.

Conversely, suppose $AU\subset U$. Since $U$ is a subspace of $K^n$, to show that $U$ is a submodule of $M$, it suffices to show that $uf(T)\in U$ for all $u\in U$ and $f(T) \in K[T]$. Given $u\in U$, $uT = Au \in U$. Inductively, for all positive integers $j$, $uT^j = A^j u\in U$. Hence, by closure under addition and scalar multiplication in $U$, $uf(T) \in U$ for all $f(T)\in K[T]$. Since $u$ was arbitrary, the result follows.
 
Let's look at a simple space, a simple subspace, and two different matrices $A$. Our field will be $\Bbb R$, our vector space will be $\Bbb R^2$, and our subspace $U$ will be:

$U = \{(x,0): x \in \Bbb R\}$.

Our first matrix will be:

$A = \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\1&1 \end{bmatrix}$

and our second matrix will be:

$A' = \begin{bmatrix}1&1\\0&1 \end{bmatrix}$.

These matrices look very similar, but we shall see that they behave very differently with respect to $U$.

Note that, for $u \in U$ we have:

$Au = \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\1&1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x\\0 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}x\\x \end{bmatrix}$.

Since $Au = uT$, and $T$ is certainly one polynomial of $\Bbb R[T]$, we see we fail to have closure of $U$ as a (right) $\Bbb R[T]$-module, under this "scalar multiplication" (module action).

On the other hand, we have:

$A'u = \begin{bmatrix}1&1\\0&1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x\\0 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}x\\0 \end{bmatrix}$.

It follows, then, that $uT \in U$, in fact $T$ acts as the identity on $U$, so that:

$(u)(f_0 + f_1T + \cdots + f_nT^n) = uf_0 + uf_1 + \cdots+uf_n = (f_0 + f_1 + \cdots f_n)u$ (we can put the scalar on the left since $\Bbb R$ is a commutative ring).

In fact, the reason $U$ is a $\Bbb R[T]$-submodule when $T$ acts as $A'$ and not when $T$ acts as $A$, is that $(1,0)$ is an eigenvector of $A'$. I'll say this again, because it's fairly important:

The eigenspaces of a matrix $A \in M_n(\mathcal{K})$, are $\mathcal{K}[T]$-invariant subspaces. If we have eigenspaces whose dimensions sum up to $n$, we can create a direct sum decomposition of $\mathcal{K}^n$ into $\mathcal{K}[T]$-invariant submodules.

This is a very happy occurrence, because it means we can choose an eigenbasis, in which the matrix $A$ is diagonal, and so powers of $A$ can be computed by just taking the powers of the diagonal elements.

You have to realize we don't have "one" $\mathcal{K}[T]$-mdoule structure on $\mathcal{K}^n$, we have one for each matrix $A$. Different choices for $A$ will yield different module structures. So, in truth, the information we get is more about "what $A$ does", and not so much about the internal structure of $\mathcal{K}^n$.
 
Deveno said:
Let's look at a simple space, a simple subspace, and two different matrices $A$. Our field will be $\Bbb R$, our vector space will be $\Bbb R^2$, and our subspace $U$ will be:

$U = \{(x,0): x \in \Bbb R\}$.

Our first matrix will be:

$A = \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\1&1 \end{bmatrix}$

and our second matrix will be:

$A' = \begin{bmatrix}1&1\\0&1 \end{bmatrix}$.

These matrices look very similar, but we shall see that they behave very differently with respect to $U$.

Note that, for $u \in U$ we have:

$Au = \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\1&1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x\\0 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}x\\x \end{bmatrix}$.

Since $Au = uT$, and $T$ is certainly one polynomial of $\Bbb R[T]$, we see we fail to have closure of $U$ as a (right) $\Bbb R[T]$-module, under this "scalar multiplication" (module action).

On the other hand, we have:

$A'u = \begin{bmatrix}1&1\\0&1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x\\0 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}x\\0 \end{bmatrix}$.

It follows, then, that $uT \in U$, in fact $T$ acts as the identity on $U$, so that:

$(u)(f_0 + f_1T + \cdots + f_nT^n) = uf_0 + uf_1 + \cdots+uf_n = (f_0 + f_1 + \cdots f_n)u$ (we can put the scalar on the left since $\Bbb R$ is a commutative ring).

In fact, the reason $U$ is a $\Bbb R[T]$-submodule when $T$ acts as $A'$ and not when $T$ acts as $A$, is that $(1,0)$ is an eigenvector of $A'$. I'll say this again, because it's fairly important:

The eigenspaces of a matrix $A \in M_n(\mathcal{K})$, are $\mathcal{K}[T]$-invariant subspaces. If we have eigenspaces whose dimensions sum up to $n$, we can create a direct sum decomposition of $\mathcal{K}^n$ into $\mathcal{K}[T]$-invariant submodules.

This is a very happy occurrence, because it means we can choose an eigenbasis, in which the matrix $A$ is diagonal, and so powers of $A$ can be computed by just taking the powers of the diagonal elements.

You have to realize we don't have "one" $\mathcal{K}[T]$-mdoule structure on $\mathcal{K}^n$, we have one for each matrix $A$. Different choices for $A$ will yield different module structures. So, in truth, the information we get is more about "what $A$ does", and not so much about the internal structure of $\mathcal{K}^n$.

Thanks to Euge and Deveno for significant help ... It is very much appreciated ...

Just working through your posts now ...

Peter
 

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