Kinematics (rectilnear motion) spring.

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a spring that is compressed and then released, with a focus on the motion of an object (referred to as "black A") as it accelerates. The spring's initial and compressed lengths are specified, and participants are tasked with calculating the time taken for the object to reach a certain position.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between acceleration and displacement, questioning the initial conditions and the setup of the problem. There are attempts to derive velocity as a function of position using integration, and some participants express confusion about the definitions of variables, particularly regarding the direction of displacement.

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Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the equations and clarifying the definitions of variables. There are multiple approaches being discussed, with some participants confirming their understanding and others still grappling with the initial conditions and the integration process.

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Participants note inconsistencies in the definitions of displacement and the setup of the problem, particularly regarding the initial position of the spring and the direction of motion. There is also mention of differing methods and results in calculating the time for the object to reach a specified position.

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the 14 in. spring is compressed to an 8 in length, where it is released from rest and accelerates black A. the acceleration has an initial value of 400ft/sec^2 and then decreases linearly with the x-movement of the black, reaching zero when the spring regains its original 14 in. length. calculate the time for the black to go to 3 in.

just wondering If I am on the right track. I believe that is the right function for acceleration of a displacement. I am unsure about initial velocity though. Yes I made the adjustment to a=-240x+3360
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How do you get x = -6in. for the compressed length?
 
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yea idk I took x to be in the positive direction to the right, thus giving me a negative X.

I want to use the equation of acceleration as a function of position a=f(s). and.

\int^{V}_{V0}vdv=\int^{S}_{s0}f(s)ds

to derive me velocity as function of position then, use that to further drive the equations for time.

I am just having trouble with the initial acceleration function.
 
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yea idk I took x to be in the positive direction to the right, thus giving me a negative X.

I want to use the equation of acceleration as a function of position a=f(s). and.

\int^{V}_{V0}vdv=\int^{S}_{s0}f(s)ds

to derive me velocity as function of position then, use that to further drive the equations for time.

I am just having trouble with the initial acceleration function.
The spring has a relaxed length of 14 in. When it is compressed to being only 8 in. long, how much has it been compressed by?
Your diagrams on the RHS of the OP are correct, but the graph on the left is wrong. I think you have been inconsistent in what you mean by 'x'. In the lower diagram you have x as the change in length, which starts at 0 and becomes -6. But in the graph you have x changing from 14 to -6.
 
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Ok my new strat, a= \frac{-2400x}{7}+4800
(general integration setup
\int^{V}_{0}vdv=\int^{X}_{0} (\frac{-2400x}{7}+4800)dx

gives me V= \sqrt{\frac{-2400x^2}{7}+9600x }

then, velocity as a function of position.

\int^{t}_{0}dt=\int^{3}_{0}\frac{dx}{ \sqrt{\frac{-2400x^2}{7}+9600x }}


put that into wolfram
gives me .0360 sec, book says .0370 sec
 
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This time I used the position of 8 in as x=0, which allows me to generally set up an integration for velocity where initial position is zero. does this look correct?

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got it guys finally!, Yes you were right haruspex I was having HUGE difficulty as to what was being meant by "X". Thanks for the help haruspex.

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I confirm the answer. My method is rather different.
We know it will be SHM with an amplitude of 6 in.
Just plug the known facts into find omega, then find the time at x = -3in.:
##x = -6 \cos(\omega t)##
##\ddot x = 6 \omega^2 \cos(\omega t)##
At t = 0:
## 4800 = 6 \omega^2 ##, ##\omega = 20\sqrt 2##
After 3 in. of expansion:
## x = 3 = -6 \cos(\omega t_3)##
## \omega t_3 = \pi/3##
 
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Yea I saw those equations else where, but I wanted to use the method the book was giving me.
 

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