Kinematics, time taken to a wall disappear

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a train moving parallel to a wall with an upward inclination. Participants are analyzing the time taken for the superior face of the wall to appear and disappear through a window of the train. The problem includes considerations of geometry and the effects of the train's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant disagrees with the book's answer of $2.1$ s, proposing a time of $3.5$ s based on their interpretation of the problem.
  • Another participant suggests that the time can also be calculated as $2.1$ s, depending on the interpretation of the wall's shape and the term "superior face."
  • A participant provides a mathematical expression for the time taken, incorporating the width of the train and the geometry of the wall, leading to a calculation of approximately $3.5$ s.
  • Another participant challenges the previous calculations, asserting that their own calculation yields $2.1$ s, referencing an external tool for verification.
  • One participant expresses confusion about their calculations and acknowledges a potential error in their Mathematica commands.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct time taken, with multiple competing views on the calculations and interpretations of the problem remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the assumptions made about the wall's shape and the definitions used in the problem, which influence the calculations and interpretations presented by participants.

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I'm posting this because I disagree with the answer. Here's the question.

You are in a train that is traveling at $3.0$ m/s along a straight horizontal railroad. Very close and parallel to the railroad there exists a wall with upwards inclination of $12^{\circ}$ with the horizontal. Looking through the window ($0.9$ m tall and $2.0$ m wide) from its compartment, the train is moving to the left. The superior face of the wall appears first at edge $A$ of the window and finally disappears at edge $B$ of the window. How much time passes between the appearance and disappearance of the superior face of the wall?

The book gives the answer as $2.1$ s, but I find $3.5$ s. There is a picture but I'll have to upload it later. I'll add it to this post together with my thoughts on the problem after I sleep. :)
 
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Fantini said:
I'm posting this because I disagree with the answer. Here's the question.

You are in a train that is traveling at $3.0$ m/s along a straight horizontal railroad. Very close and parallel to the railroad there exists a wall with upwards inclination of $12^{\circ}$ with the horizontal. Looking through the window ($0.9$ m tall and $2.0$ m wide) from its compartment, the train is moving to the left. The superior face of the wall appears first at edge $A$ of the window and finally disappears at edge $B$ of the window. How much time passes between the appearance and disappearance of the superior face of the wall?

The book gives the answer as $2.1$ s, but I find $3.5$ s. There is a picture but I'll have to upload it later. I'll add it to this post together with my thoughts on the problem after I sleep. :)

After making a guess as to the shape and positioning of the wall, I'm getting $2.1\text{ s}$.
Hmm. I can also see how $3.5\text{ s}$ can come out.
It all depends on the shape of the wall and the wording superior face.

I'll explain after you add the picture and post your thoughts. (Wink)
 
I know the image is too big. Sorry about that.

The distance point $A$ travels is $d$, which is the lower side of the right triangle given by point $B$, the line drawn and the direction traveled by $A$, plus the width of the train, $2$ m. Therefore the time taken will be $$t = \frac{d+2}{v} = \frac{\frac{0.9}{\tan(12^{\circ})}+2}{3} \approx 3.5 \text{ s}.$$ I've checked and the answer given coincides with a situation where we discount the time taken to travel the width of the train, that is, $$t = \frac{d-2}{v} \approx 2.1 \text{ s}.$$ Is my interpretation correct?
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Looks fine, except that I find that:

$$t = \frac{\frac{0.9}{\tan(12^{\circ})}+2}{3} \approx 2.1 \text{ s}$$

See W|A.
 
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Could I have already become insane? ;) I think I typed the wrong commands in Mathematica. I'm not that bad at kinematics afterall. Thanks ILS!
 
Fantini said:
Could I have already become insane? ;) I think I typed the wrong commands in Mathematica. I'm not that bad at kinematics afterall. Thanks ILS!

Yes. I'm a wizard.
But mind you, I'm trying to keep a low profile. ;)
 

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