Lagrange Multipliers: Find Extrema of f(x,y)=x^2y

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the extrema of the function f(x,y)=x^2y under the constraint x^2+2y^2=6 using Lagrange multipliers. Participants explore the application of the method, share their attempts, and seek clarification on the steps involved.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in applying Lagrange multipliers to find extrema of f(x,y)=x^2y with the given constraint.
  • Another participant suggests solving the system involving gradients of f and g, indicating the need to evaluate the gradients.
  • A participant expresses confusion over their derived equation 2y^2+sqrt(2)y-6, questioning its correctness and how to solve it.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of showing work and engaging in the learning process rather than simply receiving answers.
  • Another participant outlines the steps to use Lagrange multipliers, including the formulation of the objective function and the constraint, and asks for the implications of the system.
  • There is a reiteration of the gradient vector formulation and its relation to the Lagrange multiplier method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus on the correctness of specific steps or solutions. Multiple viewpoints on how to engage with the problem and the method itself are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity on the implications of the gradient equations and the importance of evaluating the gradients correctly. There is also mention of the necessity to derive critical points from the system, which remains unresolved.

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f(x,y)=x^2y with the constraint of x^2+2y^2=6

Use lagrange multipliers to find the extrema.

Thanks!
 
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Well, have you tried to solve the system

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \nabla f(x, y) &= \lambda \nabla g(x, y) \\ g(x, y) &= k \end{align*}[/math]

yet? Here [math]\displaystyle f(x, y) = x^2y[/math] and [math]\displaystyle g(x, y) = x^2 + 2y^2 = 6[/math].
 
Prove It said:
Well, have you tried to solve the system

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \nabla f(x, y) &= \lambda \nabla g(x, y) \\ g(x, y) &= k \end{align*}[/math]

yet? Here [math]\displaystyle f(x, y) = x^2y[/math] and [math]\displaystyle g(x, y) = x^2 + 2y^2 = 6[/math].

Yeah I tried. I ended up with 2y^2+sqrt(2)y-6 which doesn't seem right and if it is right, I don't know how to solve it
 
GWR309 said:
f(x,y)=x^2y with the constraint of x^2+2y^2=6

Use lagrange multipliers to find the extrema.

Thanks!

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GWR309 said:
Yeah I tried. I ended up with 2y^2+sqrt(2)y-6 which doesn't seem right and if it is right, I don't know how to solve it

Sorry but that's not even close. Start by evaluating the gradient vector for each of those functions. Remember that [math]\displaystyle \nabla f(x, y) = \left( \frac{\partial f }{\partial x} , \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \right)[/math]
 
The way I learned to use Lagrange multipliers, while Prove It is being more rigorous, is to write:

The objective function is:

$$f(x,y)=x^2y$$

subject to the constraint:

$$g(x,y)=x^2+2y^2-6=0$$

Now, first find the implications of the system:

$$f_x(x,y)=\lambda g_x(x,y)$$

$$f_y(x,y)=\lambda g_y(x,y)$$

Then use the implications in the constraint to find the critical points. Can you write down the system from which to take the implications?
 
MarkFL said:
The way I learned to use Lagrange multipliers, while Prove It is being more rigorous, is to write:

The objective function is:

$$f(x,y)=x^2y$$

subject to the constraint:

$$g(x,y)=x^2+2y^2-6=0$$

Now, first find the implications of the system:

$$f_x(x,y)=\lambda g_x(x,y)$$

$$f_y(x,y)=\lambda g_y(x,y)$$

Then use the implications in the constraint to find the critical points. Can you write down the system from which to take the implications?

Which if we wrote as vectors would look like

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left[ \begin{matrix} f_x (x, y) \\ f_y (x, y) \end{matrix} \right] &= \lambda \left[ \begin{matrix} g_x(x, y) \\ g_y (x, y) \end{matrix} \right] \\ \nabla f(x, y) &= \lambda \nabla g(x, y) \end{align*}[/math]
 

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