Large-scale Cosmic Flows & Moving Dark Energy: Beltran Jimenez & Maroto

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The discussion revolves around large-scale cosmic flows and the concept of moving dark energy, as presented in the work by Jose Beltran Jimenez and Antonio L. Maroto. It includes references to various studies and observations related to cosmic microwave background (CMB) anomalies, peculiar velocities of galaxies, and implications for cosmological models, particularly the LCDM framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the detection of large-scale matter bulk flows that challenge standard LCDM cosmology, suggesting the potential influence of moving dark energy at the time of photon decoupling.
  • Others reference findings from the 2MASS and SFI++ datasets, noting that a significant percentage of galaxies deviate from the Tully-Fisher relation, which could impact the understanding of cosmic flows.
  • A later reply discusses unexpected motions in distant galaxy clusters, proposing that these may be due to gravitational attraction from matter beyond the observable universe.
  • Another contribution presents a study on the peculiar velocity field from the 2MASS Redshift Survey, indicating that less than half of the CMB dipole amplitude is generated within a certain volume, raising questions about convergence at larger scales.
  • Participants express interest in the implications of these findings for cosmological parameters and the consistency with WMAP measurements, noting discrepancies at different scales.
  • Some participants inquire about the presence of news articles referencing the discussed studies, indicating a desire for broader context or coverage.

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There is no clear consensus among participants; multiple competing views and interpretations of the data and its implications remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps in the studies referenced, dependence on specific definitions of cosmic flows and peculiar velocities, and the varying quality of observational data across different datasets.

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arXiv:0811.3606 (cross-list from astro-ph) [ps, pdf, other]
Title: Large-scale cosmic flows and moving dark energy
Authors: Jose Beltran Jimenez, Antonio L. Maroto
Comments: 5 pages, 2 figures. Corrected references
Subjects: Astrophysics (astro-ph); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc); High Energy Physics - Phenomenology (hep-ph)
Large-scale matter bulk flows with respect to the cosmic microwave background have very recently been detected on scales of 100 Mpc/h and 300 Mpc/h using two different techniques showing an excellent agreement in the motion direction. The unexpectedly large measured amplitudes are however difficult to understand within the context of standard LCDM cosmology. In this work we show that the existence of such a flow could be signalling the presence of moving dark energy at the time when photons decouple from matter. We also study the relation between the direction of the CMB dipole and the preferred axis observed in the quadrupole in this scenario.
 
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[7] arXiv:0811.3690 [pdf]
Title: Distances and peculiar velocities of spiral galaxies in the 2MFGC and SFI++ samples
Authors: Yu.N.Kudrya, V.E. Karachentseva, I.D. Karachentsev, S.N.Mitronova, W.K.Huchtmeier
Comments: 19 pages, 6 figures. Accepted for publication in Astrophysics
Subjects: Astrophysics (astro-ph)
We compare infrared Tully-Fisher (TF) distances and peculiar velocities derived for spiral galaxies from the two largest datasets: the 2MASS selected Flat Galaxy Catalog, 2MFGC [19, 20] and the Arecibo General Catalog with I-band photometry, SFI++ [30,7]. These samples contain peculiar velocities for ~3000 and ~4000 objects, respectively. Based on a sub-sample of ~1000 common deeply inclined galaxies, we reach the following conclusions. Irrespective to high (SFI++) or low (2MFGC) quality of the used photometric data, about 10% of the galaxies in both samples deviate considerably from the main body of the TF relation. After their deletion, the standard TF scatters drops to 0.47^m (2MFGC) and 0.40^m (SFI++). The TF distances, derived from two the samples, demonstrate a high degree of mutual agreement with a correlation coefficient \ro=+0.95 and \sigma(H_0r)=837 km/s. Peculiar velocities of the galaxies are also correlated with \ro=0.56-0.59 and \sigma(V_pec)=610 km/s. We find that the bulk motion of the 2MFGC and SFI++ galaxies on a typical scale of H_0r~5700 km/s can be represented by a dipole solution with the amplitude V=297+/-23 km/s directed towards l=292+/-4 degr., b=-12+/-3 degr., being only slightly sensitive to different modifications of the TF relaton.
 
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/dark_flow.html

WASHINGTON -- Using data from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), scientists have identified an unexpected motion in distant galaxy clusters. The cause, they suggest, is the gravitational attraction of matter that lies beyond the observable universe.

"The clusters show a small but measurable velocity that is independent of the universe's expansion and does not change as distances increase," says lead researcher Alexander Kashlinsky at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "We never expected to find anything like this."
 
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Cosmic flow from 2MASS redshift survey: The origin of CMB dipole and implications for LCDM cosmology
G. Lavaux, R. Brent Tully, R. Mohayaee and S. Colombi
Received. 20 October 2008 Last updated. 20 October 2008
Abstract. We generate the peculiar velocity field for the 2MASS Redshift Survey (2MRS) catalog using an orbit-reconstruction algorithm. The reconstructed velocities of individual objects in 2MRS are well-correlated with the peculiar velocities obtained from high-precision observed distances within 3,000 km/s. We estimate the mean matter density to be 0.31 +/- 0.05 by comparing observed to reconstructed velocities in this volume. The reconstructed motion of the Local Group in the rest frame established by distances within 3,000 km/s agrees with the observed motion and is generated by fluctuations within this volume, in agreement with observations. Then, we reconstruct the velocity field of 2MRS in successively larger radii, to study the problem of convergence towards the CMB dipole. We find that less than half of the amplitude of the CMB dipole is generated within a volume enclosing the Hydra-Centaurus-Norma supercluster at around 40 Mpc/h. Although most of the amplitude of the CMB dipole seems to be recovered by 120 Mpc/h, we observe no convergence up to this scale. We develop a new statistical model which allows us to estimate cosmological para meters from the reconstructed growth of convergence of the velocity of the Local Group towards the CMB dipole motion. For scales up to 50 Mpc/h, assuming a Local Group velocity of 627 km/s, we estimate Omega_m h^2 = 0.08 +/- 0.03 and sigma_8=0.84 +/- 0.47, in agreement with WMAP5 measurements at the 1 to 2-sigma level. However, for scales up to 100 Mpc/h, we obtain Omega_m h^2 = 0.05 +/- 0.02 and sigma_8=1.31 +/- 0.80, which agrees only at the 2 to 3-sigma level with WMAP5 results. Weighing our likelihood analysis by the probability of occurrence of the velocity of the Local Group does not change the aforementioned disagreement.
 
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Very nice, thanks for the heads up on these. I saw the first one somewhere - do you know if it was referenced in a news article?
 
biggiekjac said:
Very nice, thanks for the heads up on these. I saw the first one somewhere - do you know if it was referenced in a news article?


Sorry, i hardly ever read news articles other than SciAm and science news.
 

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