Latest result for dark energy's equation of state

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The discussion centers on the latest results regarding the equation of state of dark energy, particularly focusing on findings from recent papers that analyze baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO) and their implications for cosmological models. Participants explore theoretical implications, the role of inflation, and the nature of dark energy in the context of current observational data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Helder Velez references a paper by Carnero et al. that provides a current determination of dark energy's equation of state as w=-1.03±0.16, which is consistent with both a cosmological constant and a Big Rip scenario.
  • Some participants express skepticism about time variation in physical constants, favoring a static view of w and Omega.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of inflation on the flatness of the universe and its potential lack of impact on the value of w.
  • One participant argues that if w varies with scale factor, it leads to a different model universe than one with a constant w.
  • Another participant questions the relationship between inflationary models and observations of dark energy, suggesting that energy density during inflation may not be constant.
  • There is mention of the "fluid equation" and its relevance to the cosmological constant and quintessence models, with some participants seeking clarification on these concepts.
  • Recent findings from the WiggleZ survey are introduced, which constrain cosmic expansion history and provide additional data on w.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of inflation for dark energy and the nature of w, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus. Some participants agree on the observational data but disagree on its theoretical implications.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to specific equations and models, such as the Friedman equation and the treatment of dark energy in cosmological contexts, but these are not universally agreed upon and depend on various assumptions and interpretations.

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Helder Velez brought the following paper to my attention: Carnero et al., "Clustering of Photometric Luminous Red Galaxies II: Cosmological Implications from the Baryon Acoustic Scale," http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.5426.

They use a survey of galactic redshifts to measure baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO), and they also combine their results statistically with other people's BAO measurements based on the CMB. As far as I know, this gives the best current determination on the equation of state of dark energy: w=-1.03\pm .16, which is consistent with a cosmological constant (w=-1) but also consistent with a Big Rip (w<-1).

They also present a constraint on the rate of change of the equation of state, parametrized as w=w_0+w_a(1-a), where a is the scale factor. The result is w_a=.06 \pm .22, i.e., consistent with a constant equation of state. I don't know if there's any strong theoretical motivation for or against time-variation of w...? Would it violate local mass-energy conservation (giving a nonzero divergence of the stress-energy tensor)?

Even a decade after the initial claims of accelerated expansion, I've still felt a little skeptical about the empirical evidence. It is interesting to find out that BAO can be measured in two independent ways (galactic redshifts as well as CMB), since that seems to make it less likely that there is just a systematic error in the measurements. It seems like "Hubble bubble" explanations are also ruled out these days. So maybe I'm finally ready to believe in dark energy wholeheartedly.
 
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I've never been fond of time variation in physical constants. Omega = 1 and w = -1 seems intuitively correct to me - for absolutely no good reason. I guess it's a matter of aesthetics.
 
Chronos said:
I've never been fond of time variation in physical constants. Omega = 1 and w = -1 seems intuitively correct to me - for absolutely no good reason.

Inflation!

Thanks for the paper, I always tell myself I'll follow the latest results in cosmology, and always find myself re-learning what all the symbols mean!
 
MikeyW said:
Inflation!

If inflation is correct, then it does force the universe to be flat, but I don't think it has any implications for the value of w, does it?
 
bcrowell said:
If inflation is correct, then it does force the universe to be flat, but I don't think it has any implications for the value of w, does it?
Thinking about this, the inflation model has constant energy density = cosmological constant / 8 PI G. This results in the time dependent term in the fluid equation to vanish and consequently: Pressure = - rho * c^2. This implies w = -1.

But if w = w(a), then the time dependent term in the fluid equation is non-zero and a different model universe?
 
edgepflow said:
Thinking about this, the inflation model has constant energy density = cosmological constant / 8 PI G. This results in the time dependent term in the fluid equation to vanish and consequently: Pressure = - rho * c^2. This implies w = -1.

Sorry, I don't follow you.

When you say "constant energy density," do you mean constant with respect to time? I would think that during the inflationary period, the energy density would be changing, as the wave-packet was rolling down the hill of the Mexican-hat potential.

These observations probe w long after the inflationary epoch (if it existed). I don't see how arguments about the structure of the stress-energy tensor during the inflationary epoch would relate to these observations.

What do you mean by "the fluid equation?"
 
bcrowell said:
Sorry, I don't follow you.

When you say "constant energy density," do you mean constant with respect to time? I would think that during the inflationary period, the energy density would be changing, as the wave-packet was rolling down the hill of the Mexican-hat potential.

These observations probe w long after the inflationary epoch (if it existed). I don't see how arguments about the structure of the stress-energy tensor during the inflationary epoch would relate to these observations.

What do you mean by "the fluid equation?"
Sorry, I typed all this in a hurry. The "fluid equation" phrase came from "Introduction to Modern Cosmology" by Liddle. See Equation 5.2 in this book for example or see the slide in:

http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~hiranya/PHAS3136/PHAS3136/PHAS3136_files/Cosmo2_34_fried.pdf

In Section 7.2 of Liddle's book, he treats the "Fluid Description of the Cosmological Constant." He concludes that w = -1 for Inflation models but notes that "quintessence" models have accelerated expansion as long as w < - 1/3. Thus, I was comtemplating how w = w(a) may affect this treatment (if such a question has any significance).
 
edgepflow said:
In Section 7.2 of Liddle's book, he treats the "Fluid Description of the Cosmological Constant." He concludes that w = -1 for Inflation models but notes that "quintessence" models have accelerated expansion as long as w < - 1/3. Thus, I was comtemplating how w = w(a) may affect this treatment (if such a question has any significance).

I don't have access to the book, and this baffles me. Quintessence is a model of dark energy in the present universe. Inflation isn't a model of the present universe.
 
bcrowell said:
I don't have access to the book, and this baffles me. Quintessence is a model of dark energy in the present universe. Inflation isn't a model of the present universe.
Section 7.2 of Liddle's book was discussing the cosmological constant in general terms but I think the Quintessence discussion was dark energy in the present. But for modelling purposes, the Friedman equation with a (very large) cosmological constant can be applied for inflation, correct? In Chapter 13, he discusses inflation and he uses the same equations.
 
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bcrowell, going back to you earlier inquiry: "If inflation is correct, then it does force the universe to be flat, but I don't think it has any implications for the value of w, does it?"

Let me take another shot at this:

Cast the acceleration equation in the form:

a2dot / a = (- 4 PI G / 3) * rho * (1 + 3w) + Lambda / 3

If w is not exactly = -1 but < -1/3, and if Lambda is large enough, we still have inflation as expected.
 
  • #11
The WiggleZ survey has just released two papers which constrain the cosmic expansion history using the Alcock-Paczynski test and also the BAO peak as a function of redshift:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.2637

http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.2635

The BAO data, in combination with the supernova data, reveal w = -1.03 +/- 0.08.
 

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