Laws of physics may just be 'local by-laws'

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The discussion centers around the implications of a recent finding suggesting that the fine-structure constant alpha may vary across the universe, challenging the notion that physical laws are uniform. Participants explore the validity of this claim, potential experimental errors, and the philosophical implications of variability in fundamental constants.

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  • Some participants express skepticism about the finding, suggesting it may be influenced by systematic experimental errors, particularly related to the telescopes used in the observation.
  • One participant argues that if the variability of a "constant" is true, it undermines the scientific value of such generalizations, which should be falsifiable and predictive.
  • Another participant reflects on the historical context of astronomy, noting that new findings often contradict previous ones, which raises questions about the reliability of current understandings.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of understanding universal constants and theories, suggesting a philosophical perspective on human cognition in relation to scientific discovery.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the validity of the findings and their implications for the constancy of physical laws.

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Some limitations include potential missing details about the experimental methodology and the nature of the observations that could affect interpretations of the findings.

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Although it is commonly accepted that physical laws and values of fundamental constants are the same throughout our universe, a recent finding, in which the fine-structure constant alpha has been found to vary by a small amount (1 part in 100,000) going from one end of the universe to another, i.e. surprisingly the variation seems to be unidirectional. Here's the web link to the news article on this:

http://www.gizmag.com/laws-of-physics-may-vary-throughout-the-universe/16329/".

Comments? (I'd wonder myself about some sort of systematic experimental error, but the article doesn't give details about the experiment.)
 
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Someone once said, "Every new astronomy headline contradicts the last". That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
So what if it is true?

The point of generalizations made in physics is that they should be falsifiable.

This means that such generalizations, if they are to be worth anything, necessarily must be shaped in such a way that they assert how something-not-already-checked is going to behave.

In this case, a vague idea about variability of a "constant" is a worthless scientific claim, even if it is "truer" than a claim saying it IS constant, or a claim that it varies in some highly precise manner.
 
I wonder if the 2 telescopes have something to do with this observation. Maybe consistent errors based on the equipment or a different methodology.
 
wuliheron said:
Someone once said, "Every new astronomy headline contradicts the last". That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
True.
But its amazing that we have been able to understand so much as it is. Our brains were not designed (and I just mean that as a manner of speaking, I am not an ID proponent!) to understand the universal constants or the theories of relativity.
 

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