Is Chemistry the same everywhere?

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The discussion centers on the variability of the fine structure constant across the universe as reported by Professor Webb, exploring whether this variation could imply that chemistry is not uniform everywhere. The scope includes theoretical implications and challenges related to the interpretation of experimental data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Professor Webb's observations suggest a gradient in the fine structure constant across the universe, indicating potential variability in the electromagnetic force.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the validity of the findings, citing the reliance on assumptions and limited data points in early universe studies.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the significance of the results, with one participant noting that the effect appears to diminish with more data rather than strengthen.
  • It is mentioned that the claimed effect is relatively small (~10 ppm), which may not lead to substantial changes in chemistry, particularly in the context of differences between hydrogen and deuterium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the implications of the findings and the reliability of the data supporting the variability of the fine structure constant.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific measurement methods and the interpretation of significance, which may not align with classical statistical standards. The discussion also highlights the challenges of drawing conclusions from early universe data.

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Measurements made of quasars in certain directions across the universe seem to show variation in the fine structure constant.
A new article in Phys.org discusses a paper recently published in "Science Advances".
Although I am unable to find that article.

Professor Webb at USNW reports that there appears to be a gradient across the universe over which fine structure constant varies. (Wow!)

The electromagnetic force keeps electrons whizzing around a nucleus in every atom of the universe — without it, all matter would fly apart. Up until recently, it was believed to be an unchanging force throughout time and space. But over the last two decades, Professor Webb has noticed anomalies in the fine structure constant whereby electromagnetic force measured in one particular direction of the universe seems ever so slightly different.
 
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TeethWhitener said:

While not disputing any specific of this paper, this is just the kind of result that one might see in an initial study of some attribute of the early universe. Looking back that far requires a lot of assumptions, and has relatively few data points. I seriously doubt that many will look at this and be convinced that the fine structure constant itself varies as hypothesized.
 
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The paper is here: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/17/eaay9672

  • There is, as far as I know, only one group claiming this. It's based on combining a large number of measurements that other people made.
  • With more data, the result has become lesss significant, rather than more.
  • The significance is determined by their own method, not classical significance. The effect (this is an earlier paper with higher significance) does not look like 4.2 sigma to me.
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And even if this were true, the size of the effect (~1`0 ppm or a few 10's of ppm) would not make substantial changes to chemistry. (Of order 1% the difference between H and D)
 
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