Legendre Polynomials: Pattern Analysis & Integration

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of Legendre polynomials, specifically focusing on the coefficients \(c_n\) derived from a piecewise function \(f(x)\). Participants explore potential patterns in the coefficients, integration techniques, and the application of Rodrigues's formula. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploratory analysis related to series solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a piecewise function \(f(x)\) and derives coefficients \(c_n\) involving integrals of Legendre polynomials, noting that \(c_n\) is zero for even \(n\) and questioning if a pattern exists for odd \(n\).
  • Another participant suggests defining Legendre polynomials for clarity, indicating a need for foundational understanding.
  • A third participant expresses curiosity about the series solution related to Legendre polynomials.
  • The original poster elaborates on the derivation of \(c_n\) using properties of Legendre polynomials, including symmetry and recursive relations, and presents a detailed mathematical formulation.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Rodrigues's formula in the context of evaluating integrals of Legendre polynomials.
  • Further mathematical expressions are provided to illustrate the relationship between the coefficients and the properties of Legendre polynomials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the properties of Legendre polynomials and their integrals, but multiple competing views on the existence of a clear pattern in the coefficients \(c_n\) remain unresolved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive a solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes complex mathematical expressions and derivations that may depend on specific definitions and assumptions regarding Legendre polynomials. Some steps in the derivation are not fully resolved, leaving room for further exploration.

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Consider
\[
f(x) = \begin{cases}
1, & 0\leq x\leq 1\\
-1, & -1\leq x\leq 0
\end{cases}
\]
Then
\[
c_n = \frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx -
\frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{-1}^0\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx
\]
where \(\mathcal{P}_n(x)\) is the Legendre Polynomial of order n.
Our first few \(c_n\) are \(0, 3/2, 0, -7/8, 0, 11/16, 0, -75/128, 0, ...\).
Is there a pattern to this? I know \(n\) even is 0 but can I obtain a nice solution?

By this I mean, if I had a Fourier series, I could get a solution of the form
\[
A_n = \begin{cases}
0, & \text{if n is even}\\
\frac{4}{n\pi}, & \text{if n is odd}
\end{cases}
\]

If I can obtain such a solution, how? Is it by simply noticing a geometric pattern in the terms or can I integrate \(\mathcal{P}_n(x)\)?

Does the Rodrigues's formula need to be used in the integral?
 
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For reference - sorry! - but I think you should define Legendre polynimials... :o
 
@ Dreamweaver: Here's everything you want to know about Legendre polynomials, and more.

I'm kinda curious about the series solution myself.

-Dan
 
dwsmith said:
Consider
\[
f(x) = \begin{cases}
1, & 0\leq x\leq 1\\
-1, & -1\leq x\leq 0
\end{cases}
\]
Then
\[
c_n = \frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx -
\frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{-1}^0\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx
\]
where \(\mathcal{P}_n(x)\) is the Legendre Polynomial of order n.
Our first few \(c_n\) are \(0, 3/2, 0, -7/8, 0, 11/16, 0, -75/128, 0, ...\).
Is there a pattern to this? I know \(n\) even is 0 but can I obtain a nice solution?

By this I mean, if I had a Fourier series, I could get a solution of the form
\[
A_n = \begin{cases}
0, & \text{if n is even}\\
\frac{4}{n\pi}, & \text{if n is odd}
\end{cases}
\]

If I can obtain such a solution, how? Is it by simply noticing a geometric pattern in the terms or can I integrate \(\mathcal{P}_n(x)\)?

Does the Rodrigues's formula need to be used in the integral?

\begin{align}
c_n &= \frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx -
\frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{-1}^0\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx\\
&= \frac{2n + 1}{2}\left[\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(x)dx +
\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(-x)dx\right]
\end{align}
Since \(\mathcal{P}_{\ell}(-x) = (-1)^{\ell}\mathcal{P}_{\ell}(x)\), we now have
\[
c_n = \frac{2n + 1}{2}\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(x)(1 - (-1)^{\ell})dx\\
\]
If \(\ell\) is even, then the integral is 0, but if \(\ell\) is odd, we gain a factor of 2.
\[
c_n =
\begin{cases}
(2n + 1)\int_{0}^1\mathcal{P}_n(x), & \text{\(\ell\) odd}\\
0, & \text{if \(\ell\) is even}
\end{cases}
\]
We can now use the recursive relation
\[
\mathcal{P}_{\ell}(x) = \frac{1}{2\ell + 1}\left(\frac{d\mathcal{P}_{\ell + 1}(x)}{dx} - \frac{\mathcal{P}_{\ell - 1}(x)}{dx}\right).
\]
Then
\begin{align}
I_{\ell} &= \frac{1}{2\ell + 1}\int_0^1\left(\frac{d\mathcal{P}_{\ell + 1}(x)}{dx} - \frac{\mathcal{P}_{\ell - 1}(x)}{dx}\right)dx\\
&= \frac{1}{2\ell + 1}\left[\mathcal{P}_{\ell + 1}(1) - \mathcal{P}_{\ell + 1}(0) - \mathcal{P}_{\ell - 1}(1) + \mathcal{P}_{\ell - 1}(0)\right]\\
&= \frac{1}{2\ell + 1}\left[\mathcal{P}_{\ell - 1}(0) - \mathcal{P}_{\ell + 1}(0)\right]\quad\text{for }\ell\geq 1
\end{align}
We have that Rodrigues's formula is
\[
\mathcal{P}_{\ell}(x) = \frac{1}{2^{\ell}\ell !}\frac{d^{\ell}}{dx^{\ell}}(x^2 - 1)^{\ell}
\]
so
\[
\mathcal{P}_{\ell}(0) = \left.\frac{1}{2^{\ell}\ell !}\frac{d^{\ell}}{dx^{\ell}} \sum_{n=0}^{\ell}\binom{\ell}{n}(x^2)^n(-1)^{\ell - n}\right|_{x=0}
\]
Since we need even terms, we now have
\[
\mathcal{P}_{\ell}(0) = \frac{1}{2^{\ell}\ell !}\binom{\ell}{\frac{\ell}{2}}
\ell!(-1)^{\ell/2}
\]
Then
\begin{align}
I_{\ell} &= \frac{1}{2\ell + 1}\left[\frac{1}{2^{\ell - 1}}\binom{\ell - 1}{\frac{\ell - 1}{2}}(-1)^{(\ell - 1)/2} - \frac{1}{2^{\ell + 1}}\binom{\ell + 1}{\frac{\ell + 1}{2}}(-1)^{(\ell + 1)/2}\right]\\
&= \frac{(-1)^{(\ell - 1)/2}}{2^{\ell - 1}}\frac{(\ell - 1)!}{\left(\frac{\ell - 1}{2}\right)!\left(\frac{\ell - 1}{2}\right)!}\frac{1}{\ell + 1}
\end{align}
Thus,
\[
c_n =
\begin{cases}
\frac{2n + 1}{n + 1}\frac{(-1)^{(n - 1)/2}}{2^{n - 1}}\frac{(n - 1)!}{\left[\left(\frac{n - 1}{2}\right)!\right]^2}, & \text{for } n \text{ odd}\\
0, & \text{for } n \text{ even}
\end{cases}
\]
 
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