Lie Algebra of the reals with addition

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The discussion revolves around the Lie Algebra of the real numbers R under the addition operation, considering it as a Lie Group (R,+). Participants explore the properties of this Lie Group, including its Lie Algebra, the exponential map, and the adjoint representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Lie Algebra of (R,+) is again (R,+) when considered as a vector space, and seeks clarification on the exponential map and adjoint representation.
  • Another participant proposes that (R,+) is isomorphic to SUT2(R) and asserts that the Lie Algebra corresponds to upper triangular 2x2 matrices with zero diagonal elements, noting that the exponential map is the identity map.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the adjoint representation, questioning if it being trivial (where every group element acts as the identity) can be true.
  • Another participant confirms that the triviality of the adjoint representation is expected for any abelian Lie group, explaining that the conjugation action is trivial due to the group being abelian.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the properties of the Lie Algebra and the trivial nature of the adjoint representation for abelian groups, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of these properties and their interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of the Lie Algebra and the properties of the exponential map are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of the trivial adjoint representation.

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The following question may be trivial, but I just can't get it figuered out:

Consider the real numbers R with the addition operation + as a Lie Group (R,+). What is the Lie Algebra of this Lie Group? Is it again (R,+), this time considered as a vector space? If so, what is the exponential map and the adjoint representation of the Lie group on the Lie Algebra?
 
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Now, the set (R,+) is isomorphic to SUT2(R) (= the set of all 2x2 upper triangular matrices with diagonal entries =1). An isomorphism is given by

\mathbb{R}\rightarrow SUT_2(\mathbb{R}):c\rightarrow \left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 & c\\ 0 & 1\end{array}\right).

So the Lie Algebra of (R,+) will be the Lie-algebra of SUT2(R). But this Lie algebra is well known to be the upper triangular 2x2-upper triangular matrices with diagonal elements zero. The exponential map being the normal exponential map. Of course, this Lie-algebra can also be written as (R,+) with Lie bracket [a,b]=0. The exponential is then

exp(a)\cong exp\left(\begin{array}{cc}0 & a\\ 0 & 0\end{array}\right)=I+\left(\begin{array}{cc} 0 & a\\ 0 & 0\end{array}\right)\cong a

So the exponential map is simply the identity map.
 
Aha. Thanks that helps. But if I calculate now the adjoint representation of the group over the Lie Algebra, I get that it is the trivial representation, i.e. every group element acts as the identity. Can that be true?
 
holy_toaster said:
Aha. Thanks that helps. But if I calculate now the adjoint representation of the group over the Lie Algebra, I get that it is the trivial representation, i.e. every group element acts as the identity. Can that be true?

Yes, that is to be expected. The adjoint representation of any abelian Lie group is trivial (according to wiki). The thing is that the conjugation action G->Aut(G) is trivial since the group is abelian. Thus it is not surprising that adjoint representation is also trivial.
 
Yes, I see. Thank you.
 

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