Lie group actions and submanifolds

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Lie group actions on ℝ², specifically focusing on the nature of orbits as submanifolds. Participants explore whether orbits are one-dimensional submanifolds and the implications of fixed points on these orbits, as well as the conditions under which orbits can be considered immersed submanifolds.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if orbits of points in ℝ² under a Lie group G, parametrized by a single scalar t, are one-dimensional submanifolds.
  • Another participant suggests that if the action has a fixed point, the orbit through that point may not be one-dimensional, indicating it could be 0-dimensional.
  • A participant mentions the specific case of the rotation group SO(2) acting on ℝ², noting that the orbit of the fixed point (0,0) is indeed 0-dimensional.
  • There is a proposal to prove that orbits are immersed submanifolds by considering a map from G to ℝ² that sends group elements to their action on a point.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to show that the map is an immersion to establish that the orbit is an immersed submanifold.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of the map being an immersion, especially when a fixed point is involved, leading to a discussion about the isotropy subgroup and the induced map.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding the definition of immersion is crucial for the proof, indicating a need for knowledge in differential geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of orbits, particularly in the presence of fixed points. While some agree on the general properties of orbits as submanifolds, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and proofs needed to establish these properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for a clear understanding of the definition of immersion and the implications of fixed points on the dimensionality of orbits. The discussion also touches on the potential non-Hausdorff nature of the orbit space R²/G.

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Hello,

Let's suppose that I have a Lie group G parametrized by one real scalar t and acting on ℝ2.
Is it generally correct to say that the orbits of the points of ℝ2 under the group action are one-dimensional submanifolds of ℝ2, because G is parametrized by one single scalar?

If so, how can I prove this statement?

Thanks.
 
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What if the action has a fixed point at p? Will the orbit through p be one-dimensional?

If your G is acting smoothly on R^2, you can at least say that the orbit through each point is an immersed submanifold of R^2; it will generally be either 1- or 0-dimensional.
 
thanks a lot!

you are right. I am just thinking of the action of the rotation group SO(2) on ℝ2; clearly the point at (0,0) will remain unchanged, hence its orbit is 0-dimensional.

Do you have any hint to suggest in order to prove these facts? I mean, proving that the orbits are immersed submanifolds of R^2.
 
Fix a p in R^2 and consider the map G -> R^2 sending g to gp.
 
I see...
I guess all I have to do is to prove that by letting G act on ℝ2, the space ℝ2 will be partitioned into equivalence classes (=the orbits), and that follows from the very fact that G is a group...maybe?
 
That's kind of besides the point. The image of the map I wrote down is precisely the orbit through p. So all that remains is to show that the map is an immersion - this will prove that the orbit is an immersed submanifold (by definition).

Be careful to note that while each orbit itself is an immersed submanifold, the orbit space R^2/G with the quotient topology need not even be Hausdorff (let alone a manifold).
 
ok...
everything is almost clear. The only piece I am missing is how to prove that a mapping is an immersion (I am not familiar with this definition). Am I supposed to consider the mapping from the smooth manifold G (the Lie group parametrized by t) to the orbit of a point in R^2, take their derivatives with respect to t, and show that the map is injective?
 
I lied earlier - the map G -> R^2 isn't necessarily an immersion (e.g. if p is a fixed point). What we should be looking at is the induced map G/G_p -> R^2, where G_p = {g in G | gp=p} is the isotropy subgroup at p.

To rigorously prove that this map is an immersion you need to know a thing or two about differential geometry (in particular you need to know what "immersion" means! :smile:).
 

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