Light's orbital angular momentum

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of light's orbital angular momentum and its distinction from spin angular momentum. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in both vacuum and other contexts, such as waveguides or laser resonators, while referencing an article that discusses these topics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how light can possess orbital angular momentum in vacuum, questioning what it orbits around.
  • One participant asserts that light can have orbital angular momentum in vacuum, drawing a parallel to massive objects that can have angular momentum without orbiting.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the conditions under which light beams diverge or converge, suggesting that this might affect the nature of the angular momentum.
  • A participant mentions that orbital angular momentum is a common concept in nuclear transitions, indicating its broader relevance.
  • One participant critiques the terminology of orbital and spin angular momentum in the context of electromagnetic fields, arguing that there is no gauge-invariant way to define this split and suggesting that total angular momentum is the only meaningful quantity.
  • A layman proposes that light must have angular momentum based on analogies with collapsing stars and black holes, though questions the classification of this as "orbital" angular momentum.
  • Another participant reinforces the idea that while light has angular momentum, the distinction between orbital and spin components lacks physical meaning, emphasizing the importance of total angular momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definitions and implications of orbital and spin angular momentum in light. While some acknowledge the existence of angular momentum in light, the discussion remains unresolved on how to appropriately categorize and understand these components.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the lack of clarity in the original article regarding the conditions under which orbital angular momentum is defined, particularly in relation to vacuum versus waveguide scenarios. There are also discussions about the limitations of existing frameworks for defining angular momentum in electromagnetic fields.

Khashishi
Science Advisor
Messages
2,812
Reaction score
491
I read this article, and I'm confused about several things.
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/article/57/5/10.1063/1.1768672

Apparently, light can have orbital angular momentum as well as spin. But I don't see how this is possible, at least in vacuum. Is this in vacuum or a waveguide? (It wasn't too clear in the article or first reference) To have orbital momentum, one has to orbit around something. What is light orbiting around? The article says the center of the beam, but there's nothing there, right?

I see there are various modes for Gaussian beams called Laguerre-Gaussian modes. Do these exist in free space or only in some kind of laser resonator?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
It can have "orbital" angular momentum in vacuum. You don't need an orbit, in a similar way a massive object can have angular momentum without rotating or orbiting, if its flight direction does not point towards/away from the origin of the coordinate system.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bhobba
I thought of that, but that would mean that the light beam must be diverging/converging quite rapidly. Is this the case for this kind of beam?
 
I don't have access to the article here. Orbital angular momentum is a common thing in nuclear transitions, for example.
 
I've to read the article first, to say anything about it, but for sure it's highly misleading to talk about orbital and spin angular momentum for a relativistic (classical or quantum) field and particularly for the electromagnetic field, which is a massless vector field, because there is no gauge invariant way to define this split of the total angular momentum (which is of course well defined) for the electromagnetic field.

The correct mathematical treatment is well known as "multipole expansion" in classical electrodynamics. For QED the corresponding mode decomposition of the electromagnetic field operator is the use of simultaneous single-photon eigenstates for energy, and total angular momentum (quantum numbers ##\ell## and ##m## as in the multipole expansion). For a very thorough treatment of this, see

Landau/Lifshitz Vol. 4 (Quantum Electrodynamics).
 
Just a layman here, but let me take a stab.

A collapsing star gravitates and has angular momentum. If it becomes a black hole, it still gravitates and has the same angular momentum. But we do not know (and can not know) if the stuff inside the BH has rest mass or if it has all been converted to radiation. But we need not know, because it has the same gravity and angular momentum either way.

By that reasoning, I say light must have angular momentum. Whether that qualifies as "orbital angular momentum" is a different question.
 
Of course, light (i.e., the electromagnetic field) has angular momentum. That's well known since the 19th century. It's only impossible to make sense of a split into orbital and spin parts of angular momentum. Only total angular momentum has a physical meaning.

A black hole is defined uniquely by its conserved bulk properties (invariant mass, angular momentum, electric charge). There are (within classical Einstein-Maxwell theory) no other structures characterizing a black hole. This is known as Wheeler's "no-hair theorem".
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K