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The discussion revolves around the limit comparison test in the context of determining the convergence of a series. Participants seek assistance in applying the test and clarifying their understanding of the necessary steps and conditions involved.

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  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about applying the limit comparison test and finding the limit of terms as \( k \to \infty \).
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the formulation of \( a_k \) and \( b_k \), specifically questioning the omission of the numerator \( k \) in their expressions.
  • One participant suggests using \( a_k = 1/k^2 \) and proposes a comparison with the original series to ascertain convergence.
  • Another participant notes that the limit comparison test states that if \( \lim a_k/b_k = c \) and \( 0 < c < \infty \), then the convergence behavior of \( \sum b_k \) mirrors that of \( \sum a_k \).
  • One participant provides a specific limit comparison, indicating that \( \frac{k}{k + 2k^2 + 3k^3} < \frac{1}{k^2} \) for \( k > 1 \), suggesting convergence by direct comparison to \( \sum 1/k^2 \).
  • Another participant reiterates the known convergence of \( \sum 1/k^2 \) and asks how to determine the convergence or divergence of the series in question.
  • One participant mentions the known result that \( \sum_{k=1}^\infty 1/k^2 = \pi^2/6 \) but expresses continued confusion about the implications.
  • A later post asks for clarification on the conclusion of the limit comparison test's implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the application of the limit comparison test. There is no consensus on the specific steps to take or the conclusions to draw about the series in question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants may be missing key assumptions or definitions related to the limit comparison test, and there are unresolved questions about the specific limits to consider for convergence determination.

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Can you please help me
Thank you in advance
 
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Have you tried to apply the limit comparison test or find the limit of the terms as $k\to\infty$?
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Have you tried to apply the limit comparison test or find the limit of the terms as $k\to\infty$?
okay I will try to do it from what you guide me and I will let you check it for me.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Have you tried to apply the limit comparison test or find the limit of the terms as $k\to\infty$?
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I am struggle at this point sir
Please help me
 
Why didn't you include the numerator $k$ in $a_k$ and $b_k$? Your $b_k$ is different from the series in the problem statement.

I suggest using $a_k=1/k^2$ and $b_k$ as in the original series. Also use the following rule. If $f(x)=ax^m+\sum_{i=0}^{m-1}a_ix^i$ and $g(x)=bx^n+\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}b_ix^i$, then
$$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\begin{cases}0,&m<n\\a/b,&m=n.\\\infty,&m>n\end{cases}$$
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Why didn't you include the numerator $k$ in $a_k$ and $b_k$? Your $b_k$ is different from the series in the problem statement.

I suggest using $a_k=1/k^2$ and $b_k$ as in the original series. Also use the following rule. If $f(x)=ax^m+\sum_{i=0}^{m-1}a_ix^i$ and $g(x)=bx^n+\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}b_ix^i$, then
$$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\begin{cases}0,&m<n\\a/b,&m=n.\\\infty,&m>n\end{cases}$$
Can you guide me more because I am very confused right now ?
 
The limit comparison test says that in order to ascertain convergence of $\sum b_k$ one can come up with another series $\sum a_k$ for which it is known whether it converges. If $\lim a_k/b_k=c$ and $0<c<\infty$, then the answer for $\sum b_k$ is the same as the one for $\sum a_k$.

I suggest considering $\sum b_k$ to be the series from the problem statement and $a_k=1/k^2$. It is known that $\sum 1/k^2$ converges. What limit do we have to consider to determine the convergence for $\sum b_k$?
 
jaychay said:

note ...

$\dfrac{k}{k+2k^2+3k^3} = \dfrac{1}{1+2k+3k^2} < \dfrac{1}{k^2} \text{ for all } k > 1$

$\displaystyle \implies \sum_{k=1}^\infty \dfrac{1}{1+2k+3k^2} \text{ converges by direct comparison to the known convergent series } \sum_{k=1}^\infty \dfrac{1}{k^2}$
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
The limit comparison test says that in order to ascertain convergence of $\sum b_k$ one can come up with another series $\sum a_k$ for which it is known whether it converges. If $\lim a_k/b_k=c$ and $0<c<\infty$, then the answer for $\sum b_k$ is the same as the one for $\sum a_k$.

I suggest considering $\sum b_k$ to be the series from the problem statement and $a_k=1/k^2$. It is known that $\sum 1/k^2$ converges. What limit do we have to consider to determine the convergence for $\sum b_k$?
So here is the work that I have done recently so how can I determine that it is convergent or divergent ?
Thank you in advance
 

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jaychay said:
so how can I determine that it is convergent or divergent ?
Evgeny.Makarov said:
It is known that $\sum 1/k^2$ converges.
In fact, $\sum_{k=1}^\infty 1/k^2=\pi^2/6$ (see Wikipedia).
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
In fact, $\sum_{k=1}^\infty 1/k^2=\pi^2/6$ (see Wikipedia).
I still do not understand what you are trying to tell me sir.
 
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The limit comparison test is a theorem that has the following form: "For every two series $\sum a_k$ and $\sum b_k$, if ..., then ...". What is the conclusion of this implication, i.e., what is written after "then"?
 

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