Limit (x1) as m->infinity ( x1 - the lowest root )

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the lowest root, denoted as x1, of the quadratic equation x^2 - 2(m+1)x + 3m + 1 as m approaches infinity. Participants explore various methods to solve this limit, including the use of the discriminant and properties of parabolas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the quadratic equation and seeks to determine the limit of the lowest root x1 as m approaches infinity.
  • Another participant suggests that the lower root can be expressed as $x_1 = m+1 - \sqrt{m^2-m}$ and proposes a method to simplify this expression to find the limit.
  • There is a mention of the peak of the parabola being greater than x1, but its relevance to the limit is questioned.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation and terminology used in the problem statement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the goal of finding the limit of x1 as m approaches infinity, but there is no consensus on the method or the final value of the limit.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the discriminant and the conditions under which the limit is evaluated. The discussion includes various approaches without resolving the mathematical steps involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in limits, quadratic equations, and mathematical reasoning in calculus.

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I have the following equation: x^2 - 2(m+1)x + 3m + 1=0
Also, I know that x1 is the lowest root of this equation.
I need to solve lim (x1) as m->infinity
A. 1
B. 3/2
C. 0
D. -1/2
E. -1
I tried to solve the equation with the discriminant then to calculate the limit but didn't work.
Also, I think that because x1 is the lowest root and the function graphic is a parabola, I tink that -b/2a (the peak of parabola) > x1 but I don't see how this condition would help me.
Some ideas?
Thanks!
 
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Vali said:
I have the following equation: x^2 - 2(m+1)x + 3m + 1=0
Also, I know that x1 is the lowest root of this equation.
I need to solve lim (x1) as m->infinity
A. 1
B. 3/2
C. 0
D. -1/2
E. -1
I tried to solve the equation with the discriminant then to calculate the limit but didn't work.
Also, I think that because x1 is the lowest root and the function graphic is a parabola, I tink that -b/2a (the peak of parabola) > x1 but I don't see how this condition would help me.
Some ideas?
Thanks!
You did right to start by solving the equation, and you probably found that the lower root is $x_1 = m+1 - \sqrt{m^2-m}$. The trick now is to make that into a fraction, multiplying and dividing by $m+1 + \sqrt{m^2-m}$ to get $$x_1 = \frac{\bigl( m+1 - \sqrt{m^2-m}\bigr)\bigl( m+1 + \sqrt{m^2-m}\bigr)}{m+1 + \sqrt{m^2-m}}.$$ Can you take it from there, to get the limit as $m\to\infty$?
 
Yes, I replaced m with x because I usually work with x.
Thank you very much for your help :)
 

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Vali said:
I need to solve lim (x1) as m->infinity

Hi Vali; do you mean "What number does x1 approach as m grows without bound"?
 
greg1313 said:
Hi Vali; do you mean "What number does x1 approach as m grows without bound"?

Yes.Sorry if I didn;t use the correct words.
 
Hey, no problem. The notation is unusual so I have asked for a clarification to benefit those who may not understand. Happy foruming! :)
 

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