Limits to pure reason and nature of reality

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The discussion revolves around the nature of reality, particularly in the context of Kant's philosophy and the implications of empirical findings. Participants explore the limits of pure reason, the distinction between perceived reality and an objective reality, and the philosophical implications of sensory experience in understanding the universe.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that according to Kant, the ultimate nature of reality is elusive, likening it to a mirage that can never be fully grasped.
  • Another participant argues that all scientific understanding is a construct of human perception and consciousness, challenging the notion of objective reality.
  • A third participant questions the claim that perceived reality is completely disconnected from an objective reality, seeking clarification on the belief in a 'real world' existing independently of perception.
  • Another response emphasizes the subjective nature of reality, stating that the only certainty is one's own conscious experience, and questions the objectivity of scientific claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between perceived reality and an objective reality. There is no consensus on whether a 'real world' exists independently of perception, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Kant's philosophy on this topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of 'real' and the subjective nature of experience, indicating that the discussion is limited by these conceptual frameworks.

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Hi all,
I have a little out of track
question and I was forced to
consider this after reading FQXI
Essay competition title Is
Reality Digital or Analogue and
Kant's Critique of Pure reason
simultaneously.
If I am not wrong, according to
Kant, there are limits of pure
reason. Is not the ultimate
nature of reality always
elusive? Something like a
mirage of pond for a deer. The
deer always chases the pond
but never reaches one. Is not
that what we can discover is
merely sense data? Can we say
definitely, now or at any point
in future, whether nature is
analogous or digital? Does not
emperical finding (sense data)
always have possibility of going
further? Like first they came up
with the idea of atoms, then
nuclear particles, then quarks
then what not?
Thank You
 
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I didn't read Kant but 'realists' can tell me what they want: it is quite clear to me that whatever we perceive and describe with our so called 'exact' sciences is ultimately a human mind-sense data construct. The idea of a 'pure' science which abstracts from sensory experience, human mind and consciousness is an illusion. We might say that the sensory world we live in is not much different than the digital world of the film Matrix. This doesn't mean there is no reality 'out there', but that the 'reality' we perceive has nothing to do with the 'real reality'. Science is not an ultimate and absolutely objective view of the world but a representation, a fiction, at bottom it is based on subjective mental entities of the homo sapiens mind. And reason and rationality itself are only a way of cognition, not the ultimate tools to know the truth. The idea that reason is the only way to 'know' is an anthropocentric conception that science itself dismisses.
 
the 'reality' we perceive has nothing to do with the 'real reality'.

The reality we perceive may not be the real reality, but saying that they are completely unconnected is a much stronger claim.

Given your arguments to the contrary, why do you believe that there is a real world 'out there'?
 
What do you mean by "completely unconnected"? I don't know if there is a 'real world out there', because also the meaning of 'real' is a matter of convention. What I mean is that science is much less 'objective' than it wants us to believe. The only thing I can say is 'real' is that at least one subject in the universe exists that has perceptual experiences, i.e. me. The conscious experience is the only thing that I can be sure of. As Goethe told us...:wink:
 

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