Linear Algebra -finding determinant of a matrix

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a specific 4x4 matrix. Participants explore various methods for calculating the determinant, including expansion using minors and row reduction techniques. The conversation includes requests for more efficient methods and clarifications on terminology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the most efficient method to find the determinant of a given matrix, expressing that their current method is lengthy.
  • Some participants suggest that expansion using minors is the best approach for calculating the determinant.
  • Another participant provides a definition of minors, explaining how to derive the minor of a specific element in the matrix.
  • A detailed example of expanding by minors is presented, showing the calculation steps for the determinant.
  • Row reduction is proposed as an alternative method, with a description of how to transform the matrix into a triangular form and the implications for the determinant.
  • Specific row operations are outlined, including their effects on the determinant, such as multiplying a row, swapping rows, and adding multiples of rows.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods discussed, particularly the use of minors and row reduction. However, there is no consensus on which method is the most efficient, as different approaches are presented without resolution of preference.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the methods and their applicability, but these assumptions are not fully explored or resolved. The effectiveness of each method may depend on the specific context of the matrix being analyzed.

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the first row 1 0 0 2
the 2nd row 0 1 2 0
the 3rd row 0 2 1 0
the 4th row 2 0 0 1

I would like to ask which is the most efficient way of solving this ques.Though i can solve but is long method, I know there must have some quick 1, appreciate if u can share it. thank you
 
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Expansion using minors is your best approach.
 
SteamKing said:
Expansion using minors is your best approach.
minors?
 
Unusualskill said:
minors?
If aij is an element in matrix A, the minor of this element, Aij, is the submatrix that contains all of the elements of A that are not in row i or in column j.
For example, a11 in your matrix is 1. The minor of this element is A11, which is
\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 & 0 \\ 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}

For more details of how this works to calculate the determinant, do a web search for "determinant minor".
 
Expanding by minors on the first row:
[tex]\left|\begin{array}{cccc}1 & 0 & 0 & 2 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 2 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{array}\right|= 1\left|\begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 2 & 0 \\ 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{array}\right|- 2 \left|\begin{array}{ccc}0 & 0 & 2 \\ 1 & 2 & 0 \\ 2 & 1 & 0 \end{array}\right|[/tex].
You could then expand the first of those two determinants on the last row and the second on the first row.

You can also use "row reduction" to reduce the underlying matrix to a triangular matrix. The determinant of a triangular matrix is just the product of the numbers on the diagonal and "row reduction" changes the determinant is a regular way. The basic "row operation" are
1) multiply every number on a row by the same number. This multiplies the determinant by that number.
2) swap two rows. This multiplies the determinant by -1.
3) add a multiple of a row to another row. This does not change the determinant- and it is always possible to reduce a matrix to a triangular matrix using only this.

Here, if you add -2 times the first row to the last row you get [tex]\begin{bmatrix}1& 0 & 0 & 2 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & -3\end{bmatrix}[/tex].

Now, add -2 times the second row to the third row: [tex]\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 & 2 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & -3 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & -3\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Since we used only "add a multiple of one row to another" that matrix has the same determinant as the original.
 
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