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The discussion revolves around the behavior of quantum states under time evolution as described by the Schrödinger equation. Participants explore whether superposition states at an initial time remain superpositions at a later time and the implications of energy eigenstates on this evolution.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if a superposition of states x1 and x2 is established at time0, it remains a superposition at time1, provided the states are energy eigenstates.
  • Others argue that once a superposition is reconciled into a definite result, the wavefunction no longer applies, suggesting a transition from superposition to a definite state.
  • One participant explains that if the initial state can be expressed as a superposition of orthogonal states, the time evolution operator can be applied, resulting in a different superposition at time t if the states are not energy eigenstates.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the states |1> and |2> remain the same at different times, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the time evolution process.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of being an energy eigenstate, where it is noted that such states evolve only by a phase factor, while non-eigenstates require expansion in terms of energy eigenstates for time evolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether superposition states remain superpositions after time evolution, with some asserting they do under certain conditions, while others suggest that a transition to definite states occurs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the definitions of energy eigenstates and the conditions under which superpositions evolve, indicating potential limitations in understanding the implications of time evolution in quantum mechanics.

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Say we can find a solution to the Schrödinger equation, which gives a superposition of two states x1 and x2. Say this occurs at time0.

The equation evolves over time, say to time1.

At time1, are x1 and x2 (the same states found by solving the Schrödinger equation at time0) still superposition states in a solution to the Schrödinger equation at time1?
 
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StevieTNZ said:
Say we can find a solution to the Schrödinger equation, which gives a superposition of two states x1 and x2. Say this occurs at time0.

The equation evolves over time, say to time1.

At time1, are x1 and x2 (the same states found by solving the Schrödinger equation at time0) still superposition states in a solution to the Schrödinger equation at time1?

Yes, since as soon as the superposition is reconciled as a definite result, the wavefunction no longer applies.
 
If we can write our initial state as

[tex]|\psi(t=0)>=A|1>+B|2>[/tex]

where |1> & |2> are our orthogonal states.

If we want the solution at a later time, we then apply the time evolution operator to the system:

[tex]|\psi(t)>=e^{iHt/\hbar}|\psi(0)>[/tex]

So, if |1> and |2> are both eigenfunctions of H, the Hamiltonian, the solution at time t will remain a superposition of |1> and |2>, but can be a different superposition:

i.e.

[tex]|\psi(t)>=A'|1>+B'|2>=Ae^{iE_1t/\hbar}|1>+Be^{iE_2t/\hbar}|2>[/tex]

Notice however:

If |1> and |2> are not energy eigenstates, then we need to expand them in terms of energy eigenstates before we apply the time evolution operator. The resulting state at time t will still be able to be written as a superposition of energy eigenstates, but not necessarily as a superposition of |1> and |2>.
_PJ_ said:
Yes, since as soon as the superposition is reconciled as a definite result, the wavefunction no longer applies.

I am not sure what you are saying.
 
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G01 said:
If we can write our initial state as

[tex]|\psi(t=0)>=A|1>+B|2>[/tex]

where |1> & |2> are our orthogonal states.

If we want the solution at a later time, we then apply the time evolution operator to the system:

[tex]|\psi(t)>=e^{iHt/\hbar}|\psi(0)>[/tex]

So, if |1> and |2> are both eigenfunctions of H, the Hamiltonian, the solution at time t will remain a superposition of |1> and |2>, but can be a different superposition:

i.e.

[tex]|\psi(t)>=A'|1>+B'|2>=Ae^{iE_1t/\hbar}|1>+Be^{iE_2t/\hbar}|2>[/tex]

Just so I follow, the states |1> and |2> are the same at t=0 and t=1, just that the solution to the equation at t=1 will look different? i.e you add [tex]e^{iHt/\hbar}[/tex] to the front of each state in the solution at t=1.
 
StevieTNZ said:
Just so I follow, the states |1> and |2> are the same at t=0 and t=1, just that the solution to the equation at t=1 will look different? i.e you add [tex]e^{iHt/\hbar}[/tex] to the front of each state in the solution at t=1.

Yes,

If the state |a> is an energy eigenstate, at t=t1, The state |a> will be the same (up to the phase factor [itex]e^{iE_at/\hbar}[/itex] )

However, if the state |a> is not an energy eigenstate, then the time evolution operator [itex]e^{iHt/\hbar}[/itex] does not give just a phase factor like above.
 

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