Linear Independence: Homework Equations & Solutions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of linear independence in the context of specific sets of numbers involving irrational components, particularly focusing on two parts of a homework problem.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate linear independence through algebraic manipulation, questioning the validity of their argument due to potential division by zero. Some participants engage with the reasoning presented, while others point out potential errors in the identification of linear combinations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the validity of the original poster's reasoning and the implications of their assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the identification of linear combinations, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for careful argument structure.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses concern about the implications of division by zero in their argument, which may affect the validity of their conclusions. There is also a note about the requirement for a, b, and c not being all zero for linear independence.

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The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a):

a*1 + b*√2 + c*√3 = 0
assume a, b, c not all zero
a + b√2 = -c√3
a2 + 2b2 + 2ab√2 = 3c2
a2 + 2b2 - 3c2 = -2ab√2
(a2 + 2b2 - 3c2)/(-2ab) = √2

which is not possible since we take a, b, c to be rational, and √2 is irrational.

thus our assumption of a, b, c not all zero was false and we must have a=b=c=0.

For part (b), a similar argument, but easier:

{1, 1 + √5, (1 + √5)2} = {1, 1 + √5, 1 + 2√5 + 5}

a + b(1 + √5) + c(1 + 2√5 + 5) = 0
assume a, b, c not all zero
1 + b + b√5 + c + 2c√5 + 5c = 0
1 + b + c + 5c = -b√5 - 2c√5
1 + b + 6c = (-b - 2c)√5
(1 + b + 6c)/(-b - 2c) = √5

same story as before.

Now that was super easy. And the assignment says to be careful with the structure of my argument. And I hate denominators because they can't be zero. If a = b = c = 0, then we have 0/0, which is of indeterminate form, which is ok! but I'm getting the idea that my argument is flawed because of division by zero...
 

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Looks OK to me ... a,b,c not all zero is required for linear independence anyway.
 
For part b, note that your set is {1, 1 + √5, 6 + 2√5}. Clearly the third "vector" is a linear combination of the first two in the list.
 
yeah i was so caught up in things that i forgot to combine the 1 and 5, thanks everyone.
 

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